[Type R]

Originally Posted by MistaT

Your scenario analysis of what 'if' and when 'if' presume that a win must end at the white house. Sometimes, though, a loss is bigger than a win,and for Obama whatever happens at this points he has proven a big point that will become a turning point in the future directions of millions of young black men and women.

This is an example of an inferiority complex. It is demonstrated by shyness at admitting that "I, a nigger, am here to win."

What a waste of money it would have been if Obama would have competed just to prove a (racial) point. You compete to win. The moment you start compromising, eg "turning point" ... blah blah blaaah "future directions" blah blahh, that means you are completely losing focus and urgency.

Live today as if it were the last day of your life. You never know, it may be.

[Quam Chetsy McHoher]

Obama's better off running with George W himself than with Hillary. If it must be an old white woman, maybe Pelosi would do. For real change, Obama shd run with Paris Hilton, or Whopi Goldberg...

[Nerimae]

I am so happy right now. History was made on 6/3/08, CONGRATULATIONS to Senator Obama, this was a great moment, if anyone deserves it its him. Its amazing that after Clinton moved the goal post from 2026 to 2118, she still hasnt reached the former number and wont even concede. She congratulated Senator Obama on running a good campaign, not for securing the Democratic nomination. Not only that but she also sent veiled threats saying that she has to make sure that the 17 million people who voted for her are heard. Those poor people had no idea when she was giving her speech that Obama was already the nominee, it was just a matter of formality, he only needed 4 delegates to become the nomineee at the time of her speech. I was talking to my friend, who is white, about Obama's win and she was so devastated, to the point that she felt that the election was stolen from Clinton. She has nothing against Obama, she just feels like Clinton is the better nominee coz of girl power, and i'm looking at her thinking girl power is for 5 year olds, Clinton is 60 something, if the reason she is running is to prove that a woman can be President too, I def wouldnt vote for her and I am saying this as a woman. And then when I explained to her how Universal healthcare really works, you could just see the look of defeat in her eyes, she really thought that it meant people get free healthcare. I realized that Clinton supporters do not necessarily dislike Obama, she just led them to believe that without a doubt she was going to be the one elected and when that didnt happen , they now understandbly feel robbed. She is fueling this feeling by asking them to go on her website and tell her what they want her to do, WTF? You lost fair and square, stop trying to strong arm Obama. I guess today the veil came off and they decided to publicly just hassle Obama for a VP slot in exchange for the 17 million votes, what she doesnt realize is people change their minds all the time. I think even though she has some die hard fans, there are people who are shifting away from her due to her antics. Bob Johnson of BET, is petitioning Obama thru the Congressional Black Caucus to appoint Clinton as the VP. 90% of African Americans voted for Obama, or in other words, less than 10% of African Americans voted for Clinton. How in the hell would you then demand that she be VP and non the less thru the CBC??!!! Thats a coon move and no money in the world will justify that, they need to stop forcing ideas down Obama's throat. I guess desperation is forcing them to act very childish, from attacking Oprah for not standing behind her and thus insinuating that her ratings are down ( Oprah is a Billionaire, her ratings will never go down) to her supporters implying that somehow just coz she isnt the nominee they feel like they are being treated as second class citizens ( really? Regardless of whether you are a woman, you are still white, cry me a river ) to her vowing to still keep going. I honestly think that Clinton being the sore loser that she is, if Obama doesnt let her be VP ( which he wont), I can honestly see her taking a VP position from John McCain if he offers it. This woman is power hungry, the end will justify the means as far as she is concerned. I dont think the race between Obama and McCain will be tight, it will be a tough race but not tight. Everyday as gas goes higher and higher, Americans will be reminded at the pump why they should vote in someone else, unless the economy magically heals itself, there's no way McCain will get a 50/50 down to the wire vote. Ofcourse conservative Republicans will vote for him, but Obamicans will come out strong too. I was watching my favorite newscaster on Republican TV aka Kudlow and Company, and he was saying that the Dow was down 100 points because of the Obama nomination. I love you Kudlow, but what about the day before when the Dow was down 150 points, or the numerous times the Dow has been down 250 points, what was the cause of that??
I'm happy that we have come this far, with hard work and determination we will make it to the White house. Sign up, volunteer or donate here Welcome to Obama for America It will be interesting to see the effect all this has on inner city youth, twent years from now. This is the beginning of the paradigm shift for African Americans from squatters to share holders of the American pie. They have demonstrated the power that they have as a group and I hope the least that people will take from this is to respect them as individuals and realize the power that they hold.
PS Type R, I cant believe you rely on online polls to gauge who's leading.

[Type R]

Quam Chetsy McHoher

Ze name ees very interesting. Heh heh.

[Type R]

Originally Posted by Nerimae

PS Type R, I cant believe you rely on online polls to gauge who's leading.

Nerima, for all of the Democratic primary/caucus contests, the polls - USAToday, Newsweek, etc - have proved reliable.

They are not "online polls" as such. The pollsters go out into the streets and get, say 60,000 per state (surveyUSA), and then report the responses online. They are not conducted online, but simply reported online. I think that's a difference.

I am no longer in USA so that's all I have to go by. I rarely meet Americans, so I can't gauge person-to-person what they're feeling and saying, which is an advantage that you have.

[Nerimae]

OK I understand where you are coming from. My point is those polls are almost always wrong, even CNN alluded to this point sometime around Super Tuesday when Obama was winning 10 states in a row yet the polls had shown that Clinton was leading in some of those states. Another example is how everyone including CNN, at the beginning of the race was saying that AA's werent going to vote for Obama coz he's not black enough remember that? Majority of the AA I talked to back then were supportive of both Obama and Clinton, some of them however ( esp the older ones) felt it would be better if they didnt vote for Obama coz they feared he would be assasinated as a result, not because they questioned his blackness. Thats why I dont rely on polls coz they seem to reflect 'opinions of reliable sources', not the actual parties they are polling. If polls were accurate, Clinton should have been the nominee by Feb.

[Type R]

At the beginning of this campaign, I wondered why people called Hillary "divisive." Even in this thread, I asked the same question. I did not like her, did not hate her, couldn't understand why people disliked her. Even as time passed, i didn't get it.

I takes a while to appreciate her low nature. I used that word - "low" - and someone came for my jugular. She works by innuendo, strategy, but puts on a bright face.

* insinuating Obama might get assassinated so don't vote for him
* insinuating a white woman facing a white Republican is a better bet
* bringing up his middle name "Hussein" (Islamophobia)
* the picture of Obama in Somali garb & turban (Islamophobia)
* staying in the race wayyyy too late, and now taking foreeeevvvverrrr to concede defeat. Why? Is this part of a plan to muscle the V-P mate spot?

Does Obama really want to have someone so low as his number one working partner? She will carry the grudge of having lost what she had 'already won' and she would subtly undermine his Presidency.

On the other hand, getting another V-P mate means he has to bring in a big constituency.

[Nerimae]

I felt the same way until today when she gave such a superb speech ( even though pundits feel she was paving the way for or with it). I finally saw the leader that she was, although the speech comes 3 days late, I am willing to cut her slack and applaud her.
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