[fry]

Originally Posted by 3C's

You obviously missed the point. Let me put it this way...

If you've spent say $100.00 at a restaurant where your waiter went the extra mile to make your experience (and that of your companions) a pleasure, whats $15 as a thank you token?

That's my point exactly. Before I stepped into the restaurant, I expected sterling service. Would you walk into a shady joint expecting excellent service?

If you know that this person has provided such good service despite being paid below minimum wage, you know its the right thing to do.

I'm not eating at this place because people are poorly paid. It's coz I need the service. That's what trade unions are for. You're implying I should stop eating at home because many guys are being paid below minimum wage. Should I feel guilty about not eating out?

If you have had the priviledge of being a waiter, you would understand that the best thank you to receive is in the form of a tip.

Are you implying that waiters are employed to recieve tips? You always deliver your best service, the reward will follow if it's good enough. The few occassions that I've tipped is coz the service was genuinely exceptional. Not because the waiters were broke, but I felt they earned it.

Our "Kenyan" culture is terribly unappreciative of service. We take it for granted when people do things for us. Anyone who serves in Kenya is accorded mboch status. We look down on careers that imply an element of service.

I beg to differ. "Kenyan" culture's quite generous. I hear it's difficult to drop in at a friend's or relative's place 'kule majuu' without a prior appointment. In Kenya, generally you'll share the meal, no matter how simple with an unexpected visitor.

Kenyans are generally quite helpful and many go out of their ways to assist strangers. On Thika road, there are a few people who offer lifts to town during rush hour without asking for a cent.

At the local chips joint you can ask the guy to add on an extra helping of fries, or get an extra helping of ugali or soup at the small restaurants...all for free.

Kenyans believe that the good you do comes around as someone else will help you out in another way.

In a modern world, what sets you apart is service. If you do not realise or appreciate when its provided, you are probably equally unable to provide it.

In the modern world its about getting the best value for your money.

[Jalejo]

Originally Posted by fry

I disgust you yet you follow me around? It's great knowing that at least someone follows my posts...flattering, actually. Now you've given me more reason to post around. Cheers, you've made my day!

im actualy doing a research on idiots and how they respond to pple. and boy!!! aint u fitting the bill, rats with a certain IQ were tested and i had to pick a likely human and after reading ur posts for sometime, GOTCHAA!!!!!!!

someone behaving like a pig with a muslim lineage and reasoning like a mongrel that farts every minute while purpoting to be a horse helbent on saving his money.......

**** u n ur ilk. go check if u have balls or not coz i doubt it.

[fry]

Originally Posted by Jalejo

im actualy doing a research on idiots and how they respond to pple. and boy!!! aint u fitting the bill, rats with a certain IQ were tested and i had to pick a likely human and after reading ur posts for sometime, GOTCHAA!!!!!!!

someone behaving like a pig with a muslim lineage and reasoning like a mongrel that farts every minute while purpoting to be a horse helbent on saving his money.......

**** u n ur ilk. go check if u have balls or not coz i doubt it.

Aaaaaaaaw your mama didn't give you a hug when you were little? Keep following me around...I got lotsa love to share. Tsk, tsk, tsk....Simba, simba, simba.....come, come...nifuate....follow me...nice doggy

[YB*]

If you've spent say $100.00 at a restaurant where your waiter went the extra mile to make your experience (and that of your companions) a pleasure, whats $15 as a thank you token?

Two issues here, ya kwanza, s/he is being paid to do exactly that, make me enjoy my experience - same thing the air hostesses do, hence the high bills, and does it mean thank you has to be monetary?

If you know that this person has provided such good service despite being paid below minimum wage, you know its the right thing to do.

Exactly how is one supposed to know the waiter serving you is being paid below minimum wage? As an addition the bill should indicate its for food and not for service, maybe they do, am not sure

If you have had the priviledge of being a waiter, you would understand that the best thank you to receive is in the form of a tip.
True maybe, thats the best but am sure one can settle for good also

I am a good tipper, but am not for the idea that's its a right for the waiter, especially when they are being compensated for the same. I hold the right to with hold my tip in cases of bad service!!

[Genuwine]

Originally Posted by YB*

If you've spent say $100.00 at a restaurant where your waiter went the extra mile to make your experience (and that of your companions) a pleasure, whats $15 as a thank you token?

Two issues here, ya kwanza, s/he is being paid to do exactly that, make me enjoy my experience - same thing the air hostesses do, hence the high bills, and does it mean thank you has to be monetary?

If you know that this person has provided such good service despite being paid below minimum wage, you know its the right thing to do.

Exactly how is one supposed to know the waiter serving you is being paid below minimum wage? As an addition the bill should indicate its for food and not for service, maybe they do, am not sure

If you have had the priviledge of being a waiter, you would understand that the best thank you to receive is in the form of a tip.
True maybe, thats the best but am sure one can settle for good also

I am a good tipper, but am not for the idea that's its a right for the waiter, especially when they are being compensated for the same. I hold the right to with hold my tip in cases of bad service!!

YB* - I think you and Fry have made a very good case. Waiters/waitresses are in the hospitality industry, and they have a moral duty to ensure that the customer feels hospitable and providing excellent service. If they go beyond the call of duty - then and only then do we offer a tip

[maziwa]

Originally Posted by 3C's

You obviously

Our "Kenyan" culture is terribly unappreciative of service. We take it for granted when people do things for us. Anyone who serves in Kenya is accorded mboch status. We look down on careers that imply an element of service.

ditto that

[kelly]

Because it is the culture, especially the idea of 15%.

If I eat $100 meal and my friends eats a $20 meal isn't the service the same so why should I pay $15 tip and my friend $3.

I think therein lies the problem.

Tipping is ok for good service and when someone goes beyond their duties to give you great service.

[3C's]

@ YB and Fry;

We are on the same page here...

If you walk into an establishment expecting good service, you should also expect to tip (ie. pay for it) This is the culture.

Waiters earn their keep by interacting with the customer to make them feel important and appreciated. If they don't do this, no tip is necessary.

If that ka-waiter just told you where to sit, took your order, delivered it and made sure you paid for it, they would have performed the basic function for which they are paid.

The culture of tipping is a culture of appreciation.

[fry]

Originally Posted by 3C's

@ YB and Fry;

We are on the same page here...

If you walk into an establishment expecting good service, you should also expect to tip (ie. pay for it) This is the culture.

Waiters earn their keep by interacting with the customer to make them feel important and appreciated. If they don't do this, no tip is necessary.

If that ka-waiter just told you where to sit, took your order, delivered it and made sure you paid for it, they would have performed the basic function for which they are paid.

The culture of tipping is a culture of appreciation.

Appreciation is earned...not stipulated by law. Which is why I find it pretentious that one is obliged to tip...just because it's been done before and people are doing it.

I expected good service which is why I agreed to pay the restaurant's astronomical charges wihout question in the first place.

Is it my fault that I didn't tip after enjoying a meal worth Ksh 2000 yet the waiter's paid 8000 a month?

[msema ukweli Kabisa]

Ok to Fry and YB am assuming you are not in the US. Because Tipping is more of a culture, esp in this country.

the minimum hourly pay in the US is 6.75 bucks. But most waiters are paid an average of $2.15 an hour. Because its assumed that tip is the main income. Therefore we do not get the 15% service charge that is put in Kenyan or eurpoean restaurants and bars.

With that said that means its almost compulsory and in very good taste to tip atleast 15% of your totall bill. eg if you eat. So if you eat for 10 bucks its polite to tip atleast 1.50 bucks which is not much

most kenyans really take time to get used to tipping as they are used to not tipping back home.

Another good example is eg shopping for anything here. In the US you get the tax after the item is ran through the cashiers till, so eg if you are buying shoes for $40, the real price at the check out is really around 47 bucks including tax


When it comes to tipping same analogy. Its not put in the bill but when you are paying its in very good taste to tip.

I am a good tipper myself and tip everyone from Waiters, bar tenders (alot esp when drunk), taxi drivers, I tip my barber, and anyone who gives me service I tip