[NamLolwe]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

This is why Moi says the Odingas are the most dangerous personalities in Kenya. They know how to blame others for their own acts. Now why would Kenyatta kill Tom Mboya the same man who had helped him tame Oginga Odinga? Kenyatta was a friend of Mboya while the Odingas were his enemies. So they hired a Kikuyu to eliminate him to make it look like Kenyatta did it. Dirty tricks 101. Why do you think Raila is receiving support from Dictator Putin?

Remember Kenyatta and Mboya were capitalists, the odingas were communists. Who were this world's most nefarious assasinators at the time? USSR! You can dismiss it all you want, but anyone can see Odingas all over the murder. This is the family that made itself look innocent until Raila admitted they actually did organize the 1982 coup.

If Moi says Odinga (Raila) is a dangerous Man as he would want us to believe, How comes he appointed him Minister of Energy, And endorsed him as the KANU Secretary General? I see one bitter Mzee who has just realised that he has lost control of what he thought would be his bargaining chip (Kalenjin Community) with another tired and boring Mzee Kibaki.

[chungwa]

guys its absurd that you pple dont know politics!
when mboya died,raila was in school in germany! so which raila are you talking about?
its prophetic and will come to pass,raila will give the luyha presidency,it comes and you can see by youself or you think kibaki will guve them,never never[i mean watch the steps of uhuru and saitoti]
if you dont have facts,shut your mouth and watch what we say!

[KEMINOKANA]

Originally Posted by NamLolwe

If Moi says Odinga (Raila) is a dangerous Man as he would want us to believe, How comes he appointed him Minister of Energy, And endorsed him as the KANU Secretary General? .

Because he knew how power hungry the man was. Raila can even murder 1500 kenyans in a coup so he can get a chance to revenge. So Moi knew he was the easiest man to promise power to get his 29 Mps and use to hang onto power. He used and dumped him.

[paul-nyatigi]

Originally Posted by korocho

The People Of Western Kenya Should Stop Dreaming Of Raila Giving The Presidency To Either Mudavadi Or Luhya. We Shall Have A Luhya President In Future BUT NOT THROUGH ODINGA. Kenya Is Made Up Of Many Tribes And They Have A Choice To Elect A Luhya Or A Non-luhya. Raila Should Also Distinguish From Being A Presidential Candidate And A President.

This is definitely from a person holding onto a chauvinistic mindset. What a shame! Habits are not easy to erase

[KEMINOKANA]

[quote=chungwa;475498]guys its absurd that you pple dont know politics!
when mboya died,raila was in school in germany! QUOTE]

Pliz! He wasnt tied in germany was he? Post his passport stamp here and we see! And where in Germany was he? East germany! The training ground for assasins hence his friendship with Vladmir Putin.

[teejay]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Because Raila and his tribesmen were quick to blame "kikuyus" and have spread the same lie over decades that it now seems like a truth.

You need to brush up historical records so that you don't end up like Nyachae but speak the truth like the adventist you have been raised to be.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Why would Kenyatta eliminate his most ingenious adviser?

A good question KEMI. Lets assume that I am in agreement with your line of question. The first thing we would do then is to ask why Kenyatta did not see to it that the Assassin of his "most trusted" man was hanged or even make public the findings of the inquiry the were instituted thereafter. The assassin, Njenga himself is quoted as having talked of the "big man" whom he never mentioned by name. But it was certain that that Man was neither Raila nor his father. Neither Jaramogi nor Raila had the machinery to get Njenga out of Prison and let him wander this earth a free man shortly after his sentence. General China would have made sure they suffered the consequences. Moreover, the Nation was ethnically polarized at the time; the Luos and the Kikuyus were on each other's throats. Under such a show of tribal hatred, how difficult or easy do you think it would have been for Hitman Njenga to name Jaramogi as his diabolic Boss-in- Cheif during scrutiny at Kingsway House? After all Kenyatta had wanted to tame Jaramogi at all costs. We still remember how they twisted Jaramogi's socialist ideal into a communist vice so that he would be viewed as otherwise, by both the Nation and the west.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Raila knows the truth and its time he comes clean as to why he killed tom mboya. The truth is, Mboya was Kenyatta's trusted lieutenant and Agwambo sought to eliminate him so he doesnt dominate luo politics.

Mboya was Kenyatta's most trusted lieutenant as long as he was blind to their(Kenyatta's inner circle-henchmen) mass grabiosis disorder. When one day in parliament Mboya asserted that a number of Kikuyu politicians (including members of Kenyatta's extended family) were enriching themselves at the cost of other tribal groups, the situation became highly charged. Indeed more than 1,500,000 acres (600,000 hectares) of government land was transferred to a group of wealthy Kenyans, many of whom were Kikuyu, sentiments which JM, Bildad Kaggia and other politicians championing poormans cause, echoed.

Mboya's sentiments in the parliament were like a magnet which drew sharp political knives him. The inner circle having witness his 'sorcery' with the constitution believed he was a dangerous man especially if he linked with voices that were increasing chanting anti-corruption slogans in the government. An association which the government could not risk allowing to grow at all cost. Thus Mboya stood between these Kikuyu thieves and the riches. To move smoothly (grab without opposition) they had to cut him off. They could not kill Jaramogi but could easily get Mboya. His popularity at the time gave him a false sense of security. Kenyatta knowing that Mboya was a threat got him even closer by appointing to the Office of Justice and Constitution Ministry. Indeed Mboya reasoned just like KEMI above- that Kenyatta's trust has earned him favour with the President. How naive? for the first time in Mboya's short History, I see a vulnerable man who is drunk with the blinding alcohol of popularity so much that he cannot see through bubbles and hicksh! Just like Robert Ouko, he believed, he could not be harmed, being close to the president. And even when the west offered him safe passage he dared not concur. His death came fast in one July of 1969 from Njenga's gun.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

It is totally in line with their ambition.

Ambition is good and that is what has put Kibaki in office not to mention how he killed his own father. Raila too has got ambition. His ambition though has never made him kill anyone.

[paul-nyatigi]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Everyone knows that Tom Mboya was killed by Raila Odinga and his crooks because they were unhappy that he had tamed his father Oginga and made him a luo elder instead of a kenyan president. We are not kids here.

How old was Raila then? What a jibe. This is more than laughable. I never knew that politics could be cooked.

[teejay]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

This is why Moi says the Odingas are the most dangerous personalities in Kenya.

Yes they are because they seek to enlighten the citizen of this nation and update them on evil secrets of the government of this nation. Governments fear them, because they have nothing to hid and that makes them speak out loud. They are a terror to bad regimes.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Now why would Kenyatta kill Tom Mboya the same man who had helped him tame Oginga Odinga? Kenyatta was a friend of Mboya while the Odingas were his enemies.

JM was Kikuyu just like Kenyatta. Why did the hyenas eat one of their own? Answer. The kind of evil that was being meted on public resources was beyond the "friendship" of Kenyatta and Mboya and the brotherhood of the hyenas. It was better for Mboya to go but the business of grabbing remain steadfast. It was better for a blood brother,JM, to die than to loose those ill gotten riches.

Does a kikuyu know a friend? What did Kibaki do to Raila after the elections. What did Kenyatta do to Jaramogi after independence even when it was clear that Jaramogi would have been the President? Nyachea is on record as having said that Kibaki is thankless. It is naive of you to believe that this hordes of Kikuyu thieves would still keep you for a friend when you threaten their harmonious sphere of copping schemes.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

So they hired a Kikuyu to eliminate him to make it look like Kenyatta did it. Dirty tricks 101. Why do you think Raila is receiving support from Dictator Putin?

Let me guess. Putin gave him money to hire Njenga?

dangerous personalities in Kenya. [/quote]

Yes they are because they seek to enlighten the citizen of this nation and update them on evil secrets of the government of this nation. Governments fear them, because they have nothing to hid and that makes them speak out loud. They are a terror to bad regimes.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Now why would Kenyatta kill Tom Mboya the same man who had helped him tame Oginga Odinga? Kenyatta was a friend of Mboya while the Odingas were his enemies.

JM was Kikuyu just like Kenyatta. Why did the hyenas eat one of their own? Answer. The kind of evil that was being meted on public resources was beyond the "friendship" of Kenyatta and Mboya and the brotherhood of the hyenas. It was better for Mboya to go but the business of grabbing remain steadfast. It was better for a blood brother,JM, to die than to loose those ill gotten riches.

Does a kikuyu know a friend? What did Kibaki do to Raila after the elections. What did Kenyatta do to Jaramogi after independence even when it was clear that Jaramogi would have been the President? Nyachea is on record as having said that Kibaki is thankless. It is naive of you to believe that this hordes of Kikuyu thieves would still keep you for a friend when you threaten their harmonious sphere of copping schemes.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Remember Kenyatta and Mboya were capitalists, the odingas were communists.

You are now the 3rd person in Mashada I am asking to differentiate between Communism and Socialism. Do abit learning outside the class.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Who were this world's most nefarious assasinators at the time? USSR! You can dismiss it all you want, but anyone can see Odingas all over the murder.

History, rightfully indicate the Catholic church as the single most nefarious organization clothed in garment of "Holiness" yet diabolic to the core, practicing an evil philosophy that the end justifies the means. The alliance between her instrument of violence-the Jesuits and the CIA saw many deaths including the death of the USSR. This alliance threatened the social order. Many American Presidents lives were tempted and some cut short by the Catholic church. JF Kennedy's death was via a catholic hired assassin.

I'd begin to believe you if you said Raila was a Jesuit at the time.

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

This is the family that made itself look innocent until Raila admitted they actually did organize the 1982 coup.

You lie like Lucifer himself. Was Raila in the Military at the time? If a civilian like him could walk into the Military and organize a coup, then that must say alot about the military echelon which Kikuyu infested at the time?

[dian]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

Everyone knows that Tom Mboya was killed by Raila Odinga and his crooks because they were unhappy that he had tamed his father Oginga and made him a luo elder instead of a kenyan president. We are not kids here.

Why was Njenga tried for the murder of Tom Mboya? Was he sent by Raila? Why did he not expsoe Raila? Not that your statement warrants any response. Why is it that no other Kenyans talk derogatively of Raila except for those from Mt. Kenya? Luos on their own cannot make Raila president. The Somalis, Boranas, Mijikendas, Taitas, Luhyas, Kalenjins, Kisis, and all the other 38 out of 42 ethnic groups are supporting Raila. Why target the Luos only? The 38 ethnic groups do not see tribe in the coming elections. Most Kikuyus – but not all – think tribally. We want change. Let us go for it. In 2002 we voted for change. Kibaki has not brought about the desired change so let us give this chance to someone else who stands for change. If he fails we elect another one in 2012. One other thing, ask yourself why the rest of Kenya is isolating the Kikuyus.

[paul-nyatigi]

Originally Posted by KEMINOKANA

This is why Moi says the Odingas are the most dangerous personalities in Kenya. They know how to blame others for their own acts. Now why would Kenyatta kill Tom Mboya the same man who had helped him tame Oginga Odinga? Kenyatta was a friend of Mboya while the Odingas were his enemies. So they hired a Kikuyu to eliminate him to make it look like Kenyatta did it. Dirty tricks 101. Why do you think Raila is receiving support from Dictator Putin?

Remember Kenyatta and Mboya were capitalists, the odingas were communists. Who were this world's most nefarious assasinators at the time? USSR! You can dismiss it all you want, but anyone can see Odingas all over the murder. This is the family that made itself look innocent until Raila admitted they actually did organize the 1982 coup.

Stop this nonsense, this is not child play. Many prominent Kenyans have been murdered or disappeared without trace and we would not like anybody to take us back the memory lane. We do not want to start thinking of JM, Kungu Kurumba, TJ and Robert Ouko just to name a few prominent souls slaughtered by those who thought they had the right to kill with impunity. We do not want to settle scores. Let us forget the past and focus ahead.