[mo-pesa]

Sorry peeps so mad that forgot the not. But I hope you see my point. Everywhere you go in Nairobi there's a feeling of a white lifestyle being promoted. The music, stupid #### like valentines, promiscuity, people lost values. Man I feel more black in Switserland than in Nairobi.There's hip hop clubs all over Europe. Hit Johanessburg there's Club 306 and many more. Hit nairobi and you have to go to Rock Night like that #### is dope. And people are actually proud of it. Sick

[big noyd]

I hear you playa its sad..but at the same time i could bet half of them just flow with the trends. Somwhere somehow a person made rock trendy,next thing you know everybody is down with it.

P.S. wait your hear someone step into the thread and say HIP HOP is not like what it used to be ..which BULLSH1T btw. real heads know how to separate the fake from the real

[Jibril Cessay]

Kenyan hip hop is just another phase of aping the West. What's so good about bling-bling and showing off a chick's particulars or dissing each other? Nothing particularly interesting in careless and repetitive rhyme games either.

I say stick to Mugithi, Mwomboko, Taarab and Benga. These are our own genres of music, equally danceable, inspiring and enchanting to people of different ages and nationalities. There is a lot happening in Kenya, AIDS and sugardaddy's and malayaz shouldn't be the only thing reverberating in our ears day in, day out.

Anyone listed to the Harry Kimani joint 'Unborn'? I pendad the song 'Haiya' very much. The video is beautiful, the music uplifting. That is original music true to its Kenyan Spirit. U want to see Kenyan music change the world, then let's stay poetically true to our hearts.

[big noyd]

>Kenyan hip hop is just another phase of aping the West.
>What's so good about bling-bling and showing off a chick's
>particulars or dissing each other? Nothing particularly
>interesting in careless and repetitive rhyme games either.
>
>I say stick to Mugithi, Mwomboko, Taarab and Benga. These are
>our own genres of music, equally danceable, inspiring and
>enchanting to people of different ages and nationalities.
>There is a lot happening in Kenya, AIDS and sugardaddy's and
>malayaz shouldn't be the only thing reverberating in our ears
>day in, day out.
>
>Anyone listed to the Harry Kimani joint 'Unborn'? I pendad the
>song 'Haiya' very much. The video is beautiful, the music
>uplifting. That is original music true to its Kenyan Spirit. U
>want to see Kenyan music change the world, then let's stay
>poetically true to our hearts.

Correct me if i am wrong the man was talking about the listening

[Jibril Cessay]

I stand corrected but the observation he has made can be interpreted in a variety of ways:

1. Too much Western music flooding Kenyan dancehalls

2. People are fatigued by the recent hype of Kenyan hip-hop.

[biwotmoi]

>Kenyan hip hop is just another phase of aping the West.
>What's so good about bling-bling and showing off a chick's
>particulars or dissing each other? Nothing particularly
>interesting in careless and repetitive rhyme games either.

That is an irredeemably stupid statement. Evidently, you are clueless as to the state of Kenyan Hip Hop but i will do my best to rid you of your ignorance. First of all, Swahili Hip Hop has awakened an Afro-centric pride that has been quite unprecidented. Young people are buying music done in their own language for the first time and attending concerts by local artists. These days, it it cool to "wakilisha" the motherland and it is evident in the clothes young people are wearing with the Kenyan flag, Kimathi's imgages, Mau Mau etc.

>There is a lot happening in Kenya, AIDS and sugardaddy's and
>malayaz shouldn't be the only thing reverberating in our ears
>day in, day out.

Why don't you go to this website www.kiliochahaki.com. There is a good number of Kenyan rap artists that are admirably socially conscious and there is a new compilation album out "Kilio cha Haki" that has the most moving AIDS song i have ever heard.

That is not to say that there aren't some undesirable elements out there. Just like the serious literature gets burried under tones of pulp, so is the case with music. The Kenyan media has an unhealthy fixation with anything US and i have noticed that entertainers who give the impression "yeah, we are just like them" grace the pages.

[m15t3R]

Uhmm Hiphop is just too commerical, it's such a long way away from reality. I used to like listening to hiphop when it used to make sense when LB would sing about some chic called Renee that Pretty Lou met on the subway and how he dated her and so on, how 2pac would sing a son for his mama, Aliyah singing bout some guy darting her and asking if the guy's chic only knew what he was doing, Bone Thugz singing about the first of the month, DaBrat trying to make an impact, Dre keeping people's heads ringing, Snoop throwing a party when his folks head out of town etc. Oh I could go on and on and on. BUt what about today, some dude called Chingy(correct me if I'm wrong, I've fallen out of touch with their names) singing about cash, chains, Nelly just flossing off the butts of his dancers(who cares bout them, tehre's so many butts in Kenya as well), some lil kid called Bow wow who hasn't even hit 18 flossing off his way at acquiring a driving licence etc. Now look at the two situations and compare them, which style would many people relate to? The one where you talk about having a crush on some chic and trying to strike a conversation with her or the one where some guy you only see on TV flosses his Biemer to you, the one where you can get some hints on what your momma did for you when you was young or the one where some black guy is showing off wome big white house with so many rooms that will mostly be slept in by chics whom he will hardly bump into later on.

Kenyans are still not that economically stable to start aping the kind of lifestyle that African Americans wish they could have. The problem with new age hiphop is that it's become too much commercilaised and starts to lose sense on a realistic point of view.

Look at rock, there's alot of realistic content that is in rock LP talk about getting tired of someguy trying to force them to be what he is like(peer influence), Greenday talk about hwo a whole nation becomes idiotic when the media starts to run everybody's affairs and people look up to the media to knwo what kind of decisions they would liek to make, what car to buy, what soda is the coolest etc, Blink 182 talk about the first date they had in "First Date", Brian Mc Fadden sings about how all countries are starting to look the same with the world becoming a global village, Oasis sing "Always seems to me, you only see what peopel want you to see" (stop being blind, open up yur eyes a lil more. Ok there's much more to reality when it comes to rock than with Hiphop.

I won't comment about local music because as much as I think, local content is just so full of crappy content, stuff that doesn't help anyone at all, not even the musicians who sing it(well the producers probably) or the people who listen to it, why should I care if Big Pin is looking for a gal with some phat arse that he wants to "eehhhh", some guys singing bout the kind of gal he's looking for who's as slim as Pinky, afefctionate as Kasavuli and so crap on and so crap on or about some guys talking about "Kamata Dame"(If any chics are reading this, do you really want to be "kamatwad" by some guy, unless you want to get yur freak on?

In short my main points are:
1. Hiphop has become too comemrcial and has lost touch with reality.
2. Rock on the other hand has alot of reality in it, something that almost everyone (even those that do not listen to it) can relate to.
3. Alot of local content is of no much use to 80% of peopel involved in it, talk of crap.

Ohh by the way I beg to differ with everyone who says that Kenyans are so much into rock, I play guitar(rock content only) and what I see in most of the people who go for rock nights is that alot of tehm are a bunch of wannabes who claim to be deep into rock but still have a long way to go in terms of figuring out what rock is all about.

Majority of Kenyans are still deep into hiphop, local stuff and dancehall music. The rock niche came into the limelight only because some major players in the entertainment industry wanted to focus on this niche, which is still a bit far off from blooming up to something to be contended with.

OK where's my guitar now, I need to pluck some chords.

[9thWONDER]

>Uhmm Hiphop is just too commerical, it's such a long way away
>from reality. I used to like listening to hiphop when it used
>to make sense when LB would sing about some chic called Renee
>that Pretty Lou met on the subway and how he dated her and so
>on, how 2pac would sing a son for his mama, Aliyah singing
>bout some guy darting her and asking if the guy's chic only
>knew what he was doing, Bone Thugz singing about the first of
>the month, DaBrat trying to make an impact, Dre keeping
>people's heads ringing, Snoop throwing a party when his folks
>head out of town etc. Oh I could go on and on and on. BUt what
>about today, some dude called Chingy(correct me if I'm wrong,
>I've fallen out of touch with their names) singing about cash,
>chains, Nelly just flossing off the butts of his dancers(who
>cares bout them, tehre's so many butts in Kenya as well), some
>lil kid called Bow wow who hasn't even hit 18 flossing off his
>way at acquiring a driving licence etc. Now look at the two
>situations and compare them, which style would many people
>relate to? The one where you talk about having a crush on some
>chic and trying to strike a conversation with her or the one
>where some guy you only see on TV flosses his Biemer to you,
>the one where you can get some hints on what your momma did
>for you when you was young or the one where some black guy is
>showing off wome big white house with so many rooms that will
>mostly be slept in by chics whom he will hardly bump into
>later on.
>

Sounds like hip hop was just stage to you buddy..you never had love it...real sh1t has existed it has never gone away...the same LB are the same dudes who sang about biemers,coups, ..If you loved hip hop you would dig 'beneath the surface'

[Msoto]

They are two kinds of kenyan masses the well-off and the not so well off. As such their music tastes are vastly different.

Some kenyans have the misconception that rock-night is what is ideal..I would strongly beg to differ. Listening to the vast array of kenyan songs/ tanzanian songs/ lingala is far more enjoyable. It builds a greater appreciation of the great talent that we have.

[m15t3R]

>Sounds like hip hop was just stage to you buddy..you never had
>love it...real sh1t has existed it has never gone away...the
>same LB are the same dudes who sang about biemers,coups, ..If
>you loved hip hop you would dig 'beneath the surface'

Well 50, G-Unit, Nelly and crew sing bout Biemers and blinging, do they sing bout a "renee"? Lb could be able to balance both, why don't the new crop of rappers do the same.

About real hiphop being still in existent, that would be a personal issue since it is not really easy to figure out what's out there as the media (that's how we get to know what's out there) does not seem to care about the real sh!t, The media guys want to front the heavy commercial stuff and unless you have a very good base of information access, you have to contend with what the media makes accessible to you, and that's what the majority of Kenyans are lacking , they don't have great access to information.