[m15t3R]

>They are two kinds of kenyan masses the well-off and the not
>so well off. As such their music tastes are vastly different.
>
>Some kenyans have the misconception that rock-night is what is
>ideal..I would strongly beg to differ. Listening to the vast
>array of kenyan songs/ tanzanian songs/ lingala is far more
>enjoyable. It builds a greater appreciation of the great
>talent that we have.
>

Rock night in most Kenynas club is a real rip off, some lousy DJ plays rock which is suited to 8 yr olds and calls it rock. Dude does alot of Avril Lavigne Britney Spears, Rasmus, Westlife and Spice Girls and calls that rock, (that is crappy-pop) then at about 3AM he switches over to hiphop, local and ragga and still calls it a rock night. Now in my opinion, that is a normal rave with alot of rock. Kenyan DJ's haven't yet figured out what good rock is.

About the Kenyan songs, yeah they are many, but what content do they have? Alot of partying, throw your hands up, chics with big-butts, "keroro" and all that crap, typical bullsh!t. I thought I heard some of the older Kenyan hiphop dudes feeling bad about the music that is done nowdays they call it some "kapuka" or something like that. They don't recognise it as real hiphop. The real Kenyan hiphop is associated with groups such as Kalamashaka, Maumau and so on. Yesterday I just decided to watch some show called "The Beat" on Nation TV and what I saw is just some unbearable sh!t. Some guy comes in starts talking about "natafuta dame mmoja msawa, achore saba twende mbele na nyuma bumper to bumper". Now if you are smart enuff yu will realise that the guy is talking about hooking up a chic who will bend over for him doggystle(achore saba) and the guy gets his freak on(twende mbele na nyuma bumper to bumper). Now that's just one example, the other one I saw was some group of kids who presumably borrowed a camcorder and some benches hooked up at one of their pals' cribs and did some shooting of the video where the only thing that you could gather from their music was alot of shouting. Now is this what you will call talent? I think it's just about trying to keep up with the Jones and doing a video just because everyone else is doing it not really caring bout what you sing. This is when I quote some line from good rock song "all I want to do Is be more like me and be less like you" or if the media is trying to force something down my throat, I say "Don't want to be an(a) American(Kenyan) idiot One nation controlled by the media".

[9thWONDER]

>>Sounds like hip hop was just stage to you buddy..you never
>had
>>love it...real sh1t has existed it has never gone away...the
>>same LB are the same dudes who sang about biemers,coups,
>..If
>>you loved hip hop you would dig 'beneath the surface'
>
>Well 50, G-Unit, Nelly and crew sing bout Biemers and
>blinging, do they sing bout a "renee"? Lb could be able to
>balance both, why don't the new crop of rappers do the same.
>
>About real hiphop being still in existent, that would be a
>personal issue since it is not really easy to figure out
>what's out there as the media (that's how we get to know
>what's out there) does not seem to care about the real sh!t,
>The media guys want to front the heavy commercial stuff and
>unless you have a very good base of information access, you
>have to contend with what the media makes accessible to you,
>and that's what the majority of Kenyans are lacking , they
>don't have great access to information.
>

Thats a fair enuff assesment..but i still contend a real head will look hard

[mo-pesa]

@m15t3R- you have no clue what am saying, I was talking about hip hop as a culrure not local. You tryna say rock is reality???Yeah when you are drugs everyday and doing outlandish things like taking off your pants in public.

@jibril: yeah harry Kimani is da bomb. His album is out check. New site coming up called Undergroundentertainment.com. these young bloods ae the future of Kenyan music. They have Harry Kimani, Bamboo,Mercy Myra.

To all other dudes who understand hip hop. Hip hop is a culture not just muisc. Look at the entertainment wortld today and look at the influence. White boys in Russia, Switerland, denmark embrace the culture cos of it realness. Okay BLING BLING; that's not even a threat. Flossing has always been in hip hop. Even in the commercialisation of hip hop thre's cats that's doing the real hip hop. Mosdeaf, Talib. it not really how much a rapper bling blings,, its how much influende he has on semeone's life.

Hip hop to me has influenced black business, thought, discipline and style. Look at Rock music in Kenya; drunkards and hoochies.

[mugash]

this is another case of an ignorant nigga proving his point.who said that coz u listen to hip hop 24 seven makes u black.it makes u a nigga not a black man.im suprised there are hip hop clubs in switzerland that place is too white is thats how u wanna put it.correction nairobi has got one of the best night life among the top african citties in.when the smirnoff experince in nai n johanesburg were compared nai's was way mo ill so i dunno where u heard bout nai suckin.jaribu tembea nairobi next time u go there.FYI rock was originally black before them white goons took over the #### i bet ur descendants in ur next generation will say rap is white n how they cant listen to it when this white folks start rappin n niggaz leave it for them to shyyt on jus like they did with rock.


>Sorry peeps so mad that forgot the not. But I hope you see my
>point. Everywhere you go in Nairobi there's a feeling of a
>white lifestyle being promoted. The music, stupid #### like
>valentines, promiscuity, people lost values. Man I feel more
>black in Switserland than in Nairobi.There's hip hop clubs all
>over Europe. Hit Johanessburg there's Club 306 and many more.
>Hit nairobi and you have to go to Rock Night like that #### is
>dope. And people are actually proud of it. Sick

[m15t3R]

>@m15t3R- you have no clue what am saying, I was talking about
>hip hop as a culrure not local. You tryna say rock is
>reality???Yeah when you are drugs everyday and doing
>outlandish things like taking off your pants in public.

You see dude, hiphop culture means everything that comes under the umbrella of the name "hiphop". This includes the music which has been the main center of discussion so far and other issues both positive and negative. Speaking from a Kenyan point of view, apart from the music, the only other aspects that come with hiphop are basically negative, driveby shootings, alot of dropping out of school etc. And ohh no don't give me that isue about drugs being associated with rock ODB who do(did)(or have sung about) weed and other hard drugs? Does the issue of having Jimmi Hendrix(was black as well) and crew doing cocaine make hiphoppers any righteous?

The issue of taking off pants in public doesn't hold much water either, who started the sagging business? Don't blacks in America walk topless in their neighbourhoods? Don't chics in America dress up skimpily as well? I think you are confusing two issues here, one that you are a person who's come from a conservative African background and find it so rude and irresponsible that whites take off their pants in public but yu still don't want to accept teh fact that the blacks in America do more similar things. I suppose the blacks don't bother much bout the whites in their own country taking off their pants in public nor do the whites care less about the blacks' actions either.

>Flossing has always been in hip hop.

Now where do you think flossing will lead another person to, he will see the guy on TV flossing a biemer and want to be more like him, what does he do next, he grabs a colt or a Kalashnikov and either blows yur brains out or thugs your biemer or your watch so that he can associate himself with the same guy he saw on TV. This is one of the negative aspects of hiphop culture that you do not really want to admit.

> it not really how much a rapper bling blings,, its how much
> influende he has on semeone's life.

Yeah negative influence.

>
>Look at Rock music in Kenya; drunkards and hoochies.

Dude you have all your facts very wrong, as a matter of fact the real rock crowd in Kenya is one that you can never associate hoochies or drunkeness with. In fact you will find more hoochies from Nairobian universities and colleges taking on "hoochism" in order to raise some extra cash for themselves. On the issue of drunkenness, slightly over a month ago, we witnessed one big issue of drunk teenagers which ended tragically. The Smirnoff Experience. What do most of these youth associate with mostly? HIPHOP. Look at the clubs which play rock in Kenya, Choices will never accept anyone below 21 for rock night, Sikiliza and Carnivore will not accept anyone below 18 for rock nights. Carnivore on the other hand will accept minors for other occasions. The same is for other clubs which do not do rock, minors will be accepted and they are the same people who will drink in a very obnoxious manner resulting in drunkeness. SHould I tell you another thing based from experience? When I used to frequent clubs which never played rock, I'd drink myself out and not get to dance at all and in the end I'd be so drunk and have a bad hangover teh next day. Come in rock, I drink but I sweat it all out on the dancefloor, I don't get drunk, no hangover in the morning either. As a matter of fact, rockers are known to fancy and appreciate their kind of music more than hiphoppers do. They also get very emotional with rock unlike hiphoppers who do not hold the same emotions to their type of music. Is that really love for their music? Not with hiphoppers, but with rockers, OHHHH HELL YEAHHH!!!!

[9thWONDER]

>Now where do you think flossing will lead another person to,
>he will see the guy on TV flossing a biemer and want to be
>more like him, what does he do next, he grabs a colt or a
>Kalashnikov and either blows yur brains out or thugs your
>biemer or your watch so that he can associate himself with the
>same guy he saw on TV. This is one of the negative aspects of
>hiphop culture that you do not really want to admit.

it does not get any mypoic ....columbine must have happened because of hip hop i see

>> it not really how much a rapper bling blings,, its how much
>
>> influende he has on semeone's life.
>
>Yeah negative influence.

yeah roadies,groupies,drugs do not exist in rock? and marilyn manson is real postive influnce? x(

As a matter of fact, rockers are known to fancy and
>appreciate their kind of music more than hiphoppers do. They
>also get very emotional with rock unlike hiphoppers who do not
>hold the same emotions to their type of music. Is that really
>love for their music? Not with hiphoppers, but with rockers,
>OHHHH HELL YEAHHH!!!!


Like i said homey this sh1t was a stage/fad to you..it best you move on if your whole view is shaped by chingy,lil bow and them. Atleast i have the temerity not to judge rock by linkin park,blink 182,ashley simpson lip snyching ass or limp bizkit....it would best if you quit now.


*bumps* mos def rock 'n' roll
I said, Elvis Presley ain't got no soul (huh)
Chuck Berry is rock and roll (damn right)
You may dig on the Rolling Stones
But they ain't come up with that style on they own (uh-uh)
Elvis Presley ain't got no SOULLLL (hell naw)
Little Richard is rock and roll (damn right)
You may dig on the Rolling Stones
But they ain't come up with that sh1t on they own (nah-ah)
*bumps*

[mo-pesa]

I listen to good rock music too and ####ing Chingy is not on my playlist. All am saying is why is there no hip hop promotion in Nairobi.


Smirnoff Experience is not a club or bar that's a concert and some unfortunate #### happened due to lack of planning so let's not discuss.

All am saying is if you are not into bull#### music, if you are not into nyma choma joints and kapuka joints you aint got nowhere to go. Name me few joints that I can go to as a hip hop head and just chill. Am not aiming at rock music or none of that crap. If you think Marlyin manson is cool that's cool. And don't even reply to this
post if you don't have answers for me. Am talking to to hip hop heads who go to Nairobi now and then but lack joints to chill at. Am just tryna know.

[m15t3R]

>it does not get any mypoic ....columbine must have happened
>because of hip hop i see.
>yeah roadies,groupies,drugs do not exist in rock? and marilyn
>manson is real postive influnce?

hey dude, every side has its own negative aspects, none of us is more righteous. My point was, remove the log in your eye before trying to remove the stone in mine.

>Like i said homey this sh1t was a stage/fad to you..it best
>you move on if your whole view is shaped by chingy,lil bow and
>them. Atleast i have the temerity not to judge rock by linkin
>park,blink 182,ashley simpson lip snyching ass or limp
>bizkit....it would best if you quit now.
>

Dude If you have been reading my posts with some more attention you will have realised that I'm basically reacting to you first post which stated "....Everywhere you go in Nairobi there's a feeling of a white lifestyle being promoted........There's hip hop clubs all over Europe......Hit Nairobi and you have to go to Rock Night..." and my sentiments were focussed on this issue, because Nairobians do not have access to the kind of hiphop you have in mind. It's quite clear that both of us hold the same ill sentiments in regards to the current trend of stuff that the entertainment industry is referring to as "hiphop". My bone of contention is against the new age hiphop. As I said earlier on, I do not have a problem against the old hiphop which I only came to know of through the entertainment industry until some point when the industry decided that it was not going to avail this to me, so I had to rediscover myself and go to some other form of music which was easily accessible and which I had alot of authority to judge for myself on, ROCK. I still listen to old school hiphop and some good "HIPHOP" which comes out oonce in a while.

[m15t3R]

>I listen to good rock music too and fu.c.king Chingy is not on
>my playlist. All am saying is why is there no hip hop
>promotion in Nairobi.

Because the industry bigwigs do not like the kind of stuff you call "HIPHOP". They want to make money and lots of it, they don't want to go for the deeep thing inside the culture that you appreciate.

>Am talking to to hip
>hop heads who go to Nairobi now and then but lack joints to
>chill at. Am just tryna know.

I think you have some work to do, re-educate teh masses that what they refer to as "HipHop" is not actually HipHop. it's just some bullsh!t.

[Kennny]

I do agree most of Kenyan music right now is full of bull#### except for a few. All this cats talking about 50 Cent and G-Unit rhyming about bling bling and biemers your are so wrong. I would suggest that you listen to more of their music not just what you hear on the radio. I hate when cats start talking about 50 Cent being fake, when the man keeps it so real.Listen to "Get Rich or Die trying" so that you can get a real glimpse of what 50 Cent and the whole G-Unit crew is about.So all those haters out there need to quit and realize that 50 is one of the most talented emcee's out there.

"Many Men wish death for me" 50 Cent