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Default 8 Mile - 11-12-2002, 04:01 PM

I havent watched the movie itself. But check out this article I got from DaveyD- www.daveyd.com



8 Mile Good or Bad?
by - David Hill of Albany, NY
11/12/02 9:14:27 AM




The most sickening moment in Curtis Hanson’s new movie 8 Mile isn’t the scene where Rabbit gets beat down by a crew of black thugs right in front of his hysterical baby sister. Nor is it the scene where Rabbit discovers his close friend and neighbor ####ing his new girlfriend. It’s a scene meant to be touching, with all the elements of friendship, camradarie and solidarity. It’s a scene where Rabbits only white friend, a slower-than-most Cheddar Bob, is layed up on the couch in his mom’s house after shooting himself in the leg. He refuses to answer the door when his crew comes to visit him and see how he’s doing, but welcomes Rabbit through the back door after the others leave. When asked by Rabbit why he wouldn’t open the door for the others, he says “I didn’t want them making fun of me. You know Rabbit?” and Rabbit nods his head approvingly. He does know. It's HARD being white in a black world. It's hard taking criticism, being more closely scrutinized, having to learn to live in a world that isn’t yours. And its hard to be made fun of, to be the butt of everyone’s jokes. Man, black people sure can be mean.

The entire movie 8 Mile is a two hour treatise on white victimization in the black urban landscape. Its two white male characters, Rabbit and Cheddar, are constantly made fun of, and struggle hard not just to make it, but to be accepted by their black compatriots. The story, right up until its climax, is one of a white man’s conquest of a black, black world.

All the reviews and articles written since 8 Mile’s debut have been focused primarily on Eminem’s acting abilities (or lack thereof). Nowhere have critics tackled the question of whether or not race (or more accurately, racism) is what makes this film so provocative, so tantalizing, to white and black audiences alike.

Surely Buddy Rabbit is a lyrical genius, a prodigy the likes of which the hip hop world has never seen. Surely his race has nothing to do with it. We are supposed to accept that if Rabbit were black, he would be just as great.

But would he? Especially if one accepts that rap music is informed by experience. Especially when you look at how all the attention placed on Rabbit is placed on his race… by his enemies, by his friends, and by himself, and his own lyrics. Why is it that if Rabbit, or Eminem, can’t see past his own skin color that we are expected to do so?

To me, 8 Mile is a swan song for the thousands and thousands of white men who love hip hop but want to attack the notion that they are somehow, in the words of Ice Cube, “eavesdroppers” on this cultural expression they are so moved by. It is a movie that re-writes history, and places the boundary of hip hop not around a racial group, but around a class.

The final battle in 8 Mile pits Rabbit up against Papa Doc, a fierce MC and hoodlum who Rabbit discovers attended a private school outside of the gritty yet socially hip area code “313.” When Rabbit chastises Papa Doc by calling him “Clarence”, his real name, and calling out his suburban upbringing, the black crowd is instantly transformed to Rabbit’s side and boos Papa Doc off the stage.

This is clearly a white fantasy. To believe that hip hop can be yours if only you have the class status to claim it is false. Hip hop is a black thing, rich or poor. Its ironic that the same people who will be the first to say that hip hop is not a black thing will also claim that it belongs to EVERYBODY. If this is true, then why is Hanson’s film, which says that kids in suburban schools are fronting, any more acceptable than a film that chastised white people for trying to rap?

The reason is simple. 8 Mile appeals to the dire need within white people to redefine those elements of black culture where black people excel and whitewash it, take away any ownership. This is nothing new. This is an old story told on a new stage.

There’s nothing wrong with white people liking hip hop. We would be crazy not to. Hip hop is amazing music, powerful music. But there is something wrong when white people are not content just being fans, or even participants, of a black music; when white people have to redefine the boundarys to include themselves, the way Rabbit does in 8 Mile.

If white people who love hip hop can find a way to appreciate hip hop without having to steal it, maybe we can save it from going the way of blues, jazz, and rock… maybe hip hop will be able to stay real.

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Default RE: 8 Mile - 11-13-2002, 02:34 PM

Man...that dude has chambua-d that movie sa-sawa! I have to agree with him though. I'm sure this has come up in many a conversation around the country--that Eminem is gonna do to hiphop what Elvis did to Rock-n-roll. I aint hating on the guy--if i'd be crazy not to do the same had i been in his shoes! As black people, all we can do now is to redefine hiphop or come up with another genre of music that is "blacker" than hiphop (isnt that how hip hop started after all?). Who woulda thunk hiphopwould reach these levels a decade ago?!!

Heed the words of the great Charles Barkley: "You know this country is messed up when the best rapper is white and the best golfer is black!"
 
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Default RE: 8 Mile - 11-13-2002, 02:50 PM

You are totally right. Thats why I people should make sure they watch Brown Sugar. It reminds of you how hip hop began and the basic concepts of hip hop. There will never be White Mos Def's, Dead President, Public Enemies, KRS-One. Coz everytime white people touch black music, they mess it up.
 
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Default RE: 8 Mile - 11-13-2002, 03:33 PM

‘8 mile’ has a realism the way ‘Traffic’ or ‘8mm’ did…in the beginning you are caught up in weighing Eminem as the rapper not the actor but by the end you see someone not acting but just being himself…one thing for sure is that Kijana can lyricize & you get to see that his demeanor isn’t a show it’s just him, the guy had only one interview prior to the movies release! If you enjoy rap it’s a must see if you go their thinking it’s ‘Sound of Music 2’ the sight of your popcorn will lull you to sleep…

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Default RE: 8 Mile - 11-13-2002, 04:42 PM

makaveli i agreew ith you totally...when a white person drops a hiph op movie it sells 54 million becasue he is satisfying so many white youths out there who would die to be thugs and hiph op icons...i aint hatin on em he is a good lyricist but he is doing what elvis did and its sad becaseu for once blacks had something original and something creative that was theirs but its like white guys had to come in and take over the show i mean they have everything else? why dont they allow us to take over their regions???????????
i guess everything has to change lakini it aint real its like they are riding the band wagon
 
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Default RE: 8 Mile - 11-13-2002, 08:04 PM

Thats why i love the infamous "N-word" No matter how "deep" white folks get into hiphop, the word "nigga" draws the line. In a way, it is our only line of defence against total infiltration. So, ugly as its origin and meaning may be, the N-word will protect real hiphop from "wiggers" who only want to milk it for cash--By the way, remember Marky Mark?! The dude is now the whitest boy ever, having forgotten kabisa how "black" he was when he was a rapper. I'm not too sure Em wont end up the same way. Still, i aint hating on him--i'd do the exact same thing if i was in his shoes(M.O.B--stick to the script!)



 
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