[stunner]

Originally Posted by ChichigyalPHD

It was done by the American Psychological Association... on 67 studies.

It was done on a specimen pool of 67 faggos? or was it don in '67 or they conducted 67 different studies?

[ATLian]

What evidence do you have that criminals and people who go and shoot up a whole school were raised by gay people?

ChichigyalPHD,

excellent point. I can guarantee you that if you went into Kamiti or Kodiaga (or any prison in Kenya ama around the world), and interviewed any of those guys in there for rape, murder, robbery with violence, terrorism, etc, 99.999% of them will tell you that they weren't raised by gay parents. Then Stunner claims that gay parents will result in crazy kids? Sheesh!

I strongly believe that being gay is not a choice, but something you're born with. That's because I don't know any straight person who chose to be straight, they all say they were born that way. So it's freaking hypocritical for the same straight people to then claim that gays chose to be gay. Bottom line is, how can you discriminate against someone for something he didn't chose to be, like being born gay or black or female?

[maziwa]

fags should keep their biz to themselves. you can never force any person to accept what you are. solely their choice. as much as i would want a white man to recognize that i too am a person like him you wouldnt find me carrying banners ati i have rights too.

if u get smacked or are not allowed to vote or eat in a restaurant because u are a homo thaz a different story

[ATLian]

Originally Posted by grip_daddy

Religious people have rights to condemn gayism. Did you forget we have a freedom called freedom of expression?

Grip,

then why do you condemn gays for expressing themselves. Since you claim freedom of expression, doesn't that mean that gays should be able to express themselves without Christians having to shout them down? Ama is freedom of expression only OK if what is beind expressed is something you agree with?

[ATLian]

Stunner,

I also live in Fulton County, lakini I cannot recall even one case where some criminal was doing what he did because he was raised by gay folks. I cannot even recall a single person raised by gay folks being arrested. Please provide the evidence if you have.

On the other hand, Fulton COunty (that's where Atlanta is) has hundreds of arrests each week for all sorts of vile crimes, and I can guarantee you that 99.99% of those people were raised by straight folks. Why aren't you pointing them out?

Also gay adoption is illegal in most countries around the world, and in all those countries they still have violent crimes! How do you explain that? Most criminals in jail in Kodiaga (in Kisumu) are from around that area. Can you tell me of one gay couple around Kisumu whose son is now at Kodiaga? I bet you 100% of the criminals at Kodiaga came from straight families.

You have a null hypothesis!

[grip_daddy]

ATLian,

Being a religious person (mostly) requires that you condemn evil (evil is defined by the religious person) such as murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc. A murderer asking the religious person to shut up is basically asking that person to stop exercising his religion. Same argument for gay people.

The point is, a gay person must know that religious people wont stop condemning them for what they are; whether by choice or chance.

[ATLian]

Being a religious person (mostly) requires that you condemn evil (evil is defined by the religious person) such as murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc.

Grip,

I understand that. Religious folks have to regurgitate what their Holy Books tell them to, which is why they will all come out and condemn homosexuality.

That said, this is the hypocritical part. I can name for you N+1 sins from the Bible right now which you will never see these same Christians condemning e.g working on the sabbath? Why? Also, Mashada is filled with posts about how so and so had sex with his chic, ama the chic with her boyfriend, advice on what sexual styles to try, etc etc etc. Despite adultery being a mortal sin, just like homosexuality, you never see these same Christians condemning those straight posters! Instead they unleash helpful info for them.

That is hypocrisy. Grip, if you're to condemn homosexuality only because "it's a sin", then please condemn all other sins too! Since people make the exception for homosexuality, then it's obvious that it's more than it being a sin.

Finally, whatever happened to the oft-quoted Christian maxim "though shalt not judge?"

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by Benzema

You wanna know what most mashadites are? just look at the responses you get from saying you are gay. I wish those who had time to make so strong opinionated responses did the same when people were killing each other in kenya. So which one is worse? i guess its better to be a murderer than gay.

What I think? It's hypocrisy.
For the sake of being fair and balanced, if someone is Christian and is going to condemn homosexuals, then he or she should also be ready to condemn people who engage in extramarital sex because the Old Testament puts them in the same category. The New Testament is more forgiving; "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

People are too judgmental about others and too forgiving of their own huge flaws when the main idea of believing in God is to become a better person. I say believers should judge themselves and let God judge others.

[stunner]

Originally Posted by atlian

stunner, you have a null hypothesis!

maybe if i break this down in bullet form we will be on the same page:

• i did not say gay people are the only ones who commit crimes. Mungiki, crips and lord’s disciples are not gay but do major crime.
• i did not say crimes in atl or kisumu are committed only by fags.
• i did not try to relate being a criminal or doing crime to being fvcked in the ass.the 2 have no relation in this life or the next.
• now i did say that victimization is real.
• kids of fags will be victimized and may hold aggression within themselves
• this aggression (not the fact that they are gay or raised by gays) might come back to haunt in the future.
• they may revolt because of inner tension form all those years, or want to ‘get even’ with those who did them wrong or even random jamaas on the street, school whatever.
• they are not revolting because they are gay. They are revolting coz they are mad at they way they were treated in the past. Just like the virginia tech dude, the amish school, people who shoot supervisors etc

that’s my argument in the simplest form i can think of. Anyone should be able to understand it in this form.

[maziwa]

Originally Posted by ATLian

I strongly believe that being gay is not a choice, but something you're born with. That's because I don't know any straight person who chose to be straight, they all say they were born that way. So it's freaking hypocritical for the same straight people to then claim that gays chose to be gay. Bottom line is, how can you discriminate against someone for something he didn't chose to be, like being born gay or black or female?

This is where i disagree. when one is born he has no clue what gender and sexual orientation he/she is . as we grow older we come to learn the difference between the male and female species. and, according to whomever is charged with your upbringing and the community around you,(family, relatives friends, church or shud i say religion etc) you pick up their ways of living. this is how one picks up their sexual orientation.