[ATLian]

Atlian, u just need to read the bible.

Kemi,

I have read the Bible, and from the Bible, I know that fornication is an abomination in the eyes of god and that the fornicator should be stoned to death (god's explicit unchallengeable command!). I also know that it doesn't matter to god if a man if fornicating with a woman or another man. All that matters is that in god's eyes, both are equal mortal sins, which is why both get the same judgement - death by stoning followed by eternal death in hell.

That said, it definitely makes me wonder why you can gloat about your fornication, bragging to Reggie that "I've said bfore, I engage in lots of fornication" - then you turn around and soundly condemn homosexuality using your Bible and god as your moral compass. If you condemned those who you discuss man-to-woman fornication with on Mashada the way you condemn homosexuality, it would make sense. As it is, right now you're nothing but a hypocrite.



Everything that was created before sin was perfect. Sin brought the imperfections ..... Even Satan himself was created so perfect that he sang 4 voices at once.

We all know that a perfect being can only (by definition) do perfect things. He could therefore only have made perfect creations (man and Satan). Again by definition, perfect beings or things cannot do anything imperfect, like sin. Therefore a perfect man created by a perfect god could never ever have sinned. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

But we all know that man sinned. That therefore automatically means that man wasn't created perfect. Which means that a perfect being created an imperfect thing, which is impossible.

If you argue that man was created perfect and it is possible for a perfect thing like man can sin, then you're also arguing that it's also possible for a perfect being (like god) to sin. If you argue that man wasn't created perfect, then you're arguing that it is possible for god to create imperfection, which then means that he isn't perfect. Bottom line is, the "everything was perfect before sin" argument is seriously fundamentally flawed.

[ATLian]

God never created viruses...at least they were not meant to be harmful when he created them.

Where is the Biblical evidence of this? And what do you think the HIV ama Ebola viruses were designed for before sin? Were they meant to maybe help plants photosynthesize, or what? Regardless, bottom line is god made them what they are now - serious killers. Whether he made them that way before or after sin doesn't matter, all we can do now is question why an all-good god can make such things that cause so much pain and suffering.



U need not tell that viruses were meant to kill because to begin with man was not supposed to die. It is God who said there will be death...AFTER sin as a punishment.

Remember in Genesis man was commanded never to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. After Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, god expelled them from Eden:

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. :

Doesn't the fact that god expels them from Eden before they can eat from the Tree of Life which would then make them live forever mean that man wasn't meant to live forever? Also, if we were meant to live forever, what would be the poit of heaven?