[Kabunja wa Gathuita]

It is such mathematics that seem not to work with our people. How much does it cost to "rehabilitate" small time thieves in jails like Kamiti or Naivasha? How much would it cost to have community rehabilitation programme for such people,and how many will be benefitting. This is not in anway in the heads of the court keepers or the Prison people!

[goigoi]

See what Mzungus do to the big and almighty.

Ndiyo sababu they are called a developed world. They use common sense more often ( Sorry to sound so brain washed).

Seriously? OMG! WTF? » Naomi Campbell

This link shows celebrities who have been punished into doing community service. World super stars whose body guards earn more than the judges.

But in Kenya, they only arrest the poor, those who cant buy justice. And they are willing to employ more prison warders to guard and feed people who have committed felonies such not wearing Matatu uniform, instead of asking them to clean the city. We are still evolving- we are still very far in the cave.

[Kabunja wa Gathuita]

Originally Posted by goigoi

See what Mzungus do to the big and almighty.
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But in Kenya, they only arrest the poor, those who cant buy justice. And they are willing to employ more prison warders to guard and feed people who have committed felonies such not wearing Matatu uniform, instead of asking them to clean the city. We are still evolving- we are still very far in the cave.

Nice thread.

Lets just say, bado we are far. To get to this level where a supermodel can do community service is a thing of the future in our country/continent! How many of our so called "celebs" would take it in strides as Naomi did after doing the service?

And our systems too, not in a position to support. The courts and the prisons would with reformers to improve the systems.

[PitBull]

i do not ordinarily take an interest in matters legal, but we, i think, have come a long way in the short time span that kenya has been independent.

To think that our norm system was uprooted and one wholly alien supplanted, and yet we have, to some extent, been able to function has been , well, worth commend.

Take Rwanda for example. If you have watched that Gacheche Courts' episode on National Geographic, you might agree with me that it is not justice that is served up there- but revenge. the Hutus had their genocide, now the tutsis are having their gacheche.

Kind of like the courts of Oyer and Terminer in the Salem Witch Hunts. Kenya, I say is not badly off sice, as the good book says, if you have broken one commandment, you have broken them all, and thief big or small deserves no mercy.

(your thief was lucky anyway, had mob justice caught up with him he'd have died a painful death)

[ciceraw]

Do they still give 10 years for smoking a joint?

[goigoi]

Great comments. One issue I have with our African/Kenyan thinking is that if we are mediocre, we blame it on the colonialists or we say we are not doing too badly-we are better than our ever fighting neighbours any way.

The issue is that when somebody is paid by a government-there are many strict procedures to be followed remember- later we say we can not find those concerned. Is it because the system is not suitable?

I am not bitter but let us re-examine the case I described in this thread, when a magistrate is bribed and hands my nephew' certificate to his thieving cousin, is this because the legal system is flawed or is because the magistrate is flawed?

[willpress]

Well there goes another case proving how ****ty our system can be when it comes to dealing with crimes. . .true some harsh sentences are meted out as deterrents to prevent what may be termed as common/outrageous crimes of little economic value.Remember that tout who was given 25yrs for kissn a gal without her consent.Yea something like dat.

But now as regards the heavy economic crimes(grand theft, anglo leasing, goldenberg), a double standard starts rearing its ugly head.These proceedings take unnecesarily long and jumbles up evidence into a sorry mess and a strong case is reduced to a back and forth of jargon by counsel. . . .The accused are detained for a short spell and then released.One skul of thought is that detaining these large amounts of stolen money slows down general economic progress.A grand theif probably will invest the stolen billions in say a 5star hotel like Intercontinental and bring hundreds of potential common theives into employment. . .Some sort of public policy, huh?Sounds like bullsh*t but av heard this kind of thinking more than once among VERY authoritative figures in the legal process. . .
At the end of the day, society treats the Margaryans and Pattnis of this world as celebrities.Do a survey.A huge number of kids want to be just like them.
The way the system has handled this, am seeing the volume of economic crimes to the tune of billions being the order of the day in the next few years.

[shilkstar]

I think our legal system is F**kd up major. Remember that doc who shot a mat driver cause the dere obstracted him yet this guy is a free man coz his cashed out.
My mum used to work with a NGO that deals with destitute kidoz. She used to tell storoz of how some of them were kept in remand for soo long that they turned into hardcore criminals. i remember theyz one who was in remand for about three months, he had been arrested coz of loittering.
The legal system should be trying hard to find ways of intergrating such toiz into our society as responsible and productive citizens not the other way round.

[faiyyy]

the problem is even if criminals who commit small offences are taken to prisons, the meet akina Wanugus and the like. What happens, those guys come out more toughened than reformed. He stole a perfume worth 100 bob, next he will rob the bank.

Same thing happens at the workplace, You transnite in school to get papers while some kid with a godfather is out clubbing, come the time for employment, the dude is your boss ati coz his dad is so and so that time bila you he cant make any progress.

[stunner]

Systems everywhere are fu.cked. Just like here Mick Vick is in jail for dogs, Karl Rove is a free man, Martha Steward got time for selling falling stock, NYPD shot that jamaa 51 times on the eve of his wedding and today they walked free!

Justice is now Justsh!t.