[Grown Azz Man]

Originally Posted by msema ukweli Kabisa

hahahahahahahahahah, stupid as.s. wannabee, lol

Dallas isn't too far from Atlanta, brotha.The movement is country wide. Dont make me put on a mask, and Jim Carrey your azz.

Or better still pull an ihop on you, and serve you with the toast.

Talk is cheap fool. Just name a time and a place, and we'll be there. We'll see who the wanna be is. Until then keep yapping your mouth behind the screen.

If you ever in Atlanta and you still feeling froggy, then leap. See how them Zone 5 boys will take care of you.

School is not for everyone...but hustling is.

Come check me at the trap...i'll throw you a baggy.

[Nerimae]

Sanaa did I just read right? Did you just recommend for people to go to the Czech republic ati coz of free education? I have a friend in Russia, lets just say I wont even dream of stopping over in Russia, let alone study for free. I'm very much aware there's a diff between Czech & Russia, they are probably two diff countries but same ideology, heri I stay in Kenya.
From your post on Finland, seems like if you are a socialist, its the best place to be but if you've been bitten by the capitalist bug, I wouldnt even bother. I'm with CB on this, it makes sense to live there while you're still a student but once you graduate then what? Isnt the very reason we go to school so that we can make more money? Coz I keep hearing you say ati the Finns dont care about money and they dont use it to augur happiness. Again if you're of a socialist mindest, go to Finland.
Isnt Finalnd considered Eastern Europe? I'm totally lost coz I always knew that Eastern European countries like Poland are the Mexico's of Europe. So choosing to live there coz there's free education is like someone picking Mexico over the US ati coz there's free education!!!!!! Would you?
I may be wrong coz I have never ventured past West Europe. I remember I used to think France was heaven. I loved it to tiny pieces coz everything was free. Free Healthcare,free movies( yes movies, they gave us monthly passes with which you could practically sleep at the theaters), to an extent even transportation coz we used to hop over the Metro detector thingies with no consequence. Dont get me wrong, I still love France but now that I can compare it with the US, long live the greenbacks even tho they look like Pesos right about now.
In total, I would say life abroad is challenging but worth it, you can achieve just about anything if you work hard at it. That includes both the positive and negative.

[Sanaa-]

Nerimae , I wasn’t recommending that people go to Czech republic, I was merely stating that its common place for European countries to have free education in place, even the not so wealthy countries, and … that while searching for a place to study abroad, free tuition should just be one of the factors to consider, quality of life is as important. From what that jamaa told me, he said Czech people are not racist at all. Still, I’d like to hear from a second person who lives there.

Finland is in Northern Europe not Eastern. Northern Europeans are very similar, in culture. They are removed, they are not openly racist and on rare occasions will they express their opinion about their dislike for foreign people, which is not a common mind set. Although a few remote places have had reported cases of aggressive discrimination. The law is very serious about that.


About me being a socialist, well, I always like to say I’m a capitalist in mind but a socialist at heart. I believe in benefiting as a society on a whole. I have always had this theory that part of the reason why Nordic countries prosper is because everybody has the other person’s welfare in mind. Most of them have this unspoken trust for the system and when most people do something, they are consciously aware that they are important and crucial to the well being of the country and hence their effort is to make a contribution to the system and believe that will come back to them. I always say that human beings are the biggest resource in every society and if we can manage to put our mind on the money and our hearts in the right place, I think we can go a long way. I think it’s nice to think about your self in relation to your part and contribution in society as a whole. I would like to be a Social Entrepreneur and I believe that living in a socialist country has taught me some important values.


In the start of the thread I did mention that this is an ideal place to study, and when you graduate you can move to another country like Ireland or the US if you want to make money and have your income reasonably taxed. I do not intend to live here any much longer. Most European countries are similar in setting, including the free metro rides which are technically not free; it’s only that the system trusts you to pay your fare, and hence they don’t put a conductor in the metro. I used to travel for free as well until I started to feel so guilty, like I’m robbing the system. The money we will make elsewhere, but for now let us study.

[ornoir]

I have been living in Geneva for the last 4 years and would never consider returning to the US (I went to university and worked for two years in San Diego before moving here). It is grossly simplistic to equate the best places to live in world with income (as Crazy boo and Nerimae are doing). Those who have the choice, choose to live where they do because of the quality of life on offer. Amongst other things, this depends on:

1. Demographics – How easy will it be for you to fit into your new environment (i.e. Country and city), given the characteristics of the population?

2. Immigration restrictions – How are these likely to affect your stay, job prospects, resident rights and access to services (e.g. Healthcare and education)?

3. Cost of living – Will you be able to afford to live in the local economy?

4. Education – What are the facilities like? How accessible is quality education to migrants (also see 2 and 3)? If you have young children or hope to start a family after you move, you want to examine this very carefully.

5. Employment prospects what are job opportunities available to suit your career objectives (also see 1, 2 and 7)?

6. Law and order - What are the crime statistics for the country you are considering? What are the local statistics where you will be living and working? You cannot take your personal safety or that of your family for granted.

7. Lifestyle – What do want to gain from living in your new country? What kind of person are you? Does your new country tick the boxes for your kind of person? Also see 1,3,6,8 and 9.

8. Accessibility – How accessible is the location for the shops, schools and day to day facilities you need. How accessible is it for travelling back home? how easy will it be for your family and friends to visit you?

9. Healthcare – What can you expect as standard healthcare? How much will it cost you? Can you afford it? Remember standards and availability of healthcare vary greatly throughout the world.

10. Climate – Do you like it cold or hot? How are the climatic extremes likely to affect your mental and physical well-being?

According to the United Nations (United Nations Human Development Index 2007-2008), the top 40 countries in the world, to live in are shown below. If income was the main factor Kuwait (no. 33) would top the list (statistics - human development reports (undp)).

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. France
11. Finland
12. United states
13. Spain
14. Denmark
15. Austria
16. United kingdom
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. New zealand
20. Italy
21. Hong kong, china (sar)
22. Germany
23. Israel
24. Greece
25. Singapore
26. Korea, rep. Of
27. Slovenia
28. Cyprus
29. Portugal
30. Brunei darussalam
31. Barbados
32. Czech republic
33. Kuwait
34. Malta
35. Qatar
36. Hungary
37. Poland
38. Argentina
39. United arab emirates
40. Chile

[crazy boo]

Originally Posted by ornoir

I have been living in Geneva for the last 4 years and would never consider returning to the US (I went to university and worked for two years in San Diego before moving here). It is grossly simplistic to equate the best places to live in world with income (as Crazy boo and Nerimae are doing). Those who have the choice, choose to live where they do because of the quality of life on offer. Amongst other things, this depends on:

1. Demographics – How easy will it be for you to fit into your new environment (i.e. Country and city), given the characteristics of the population?

2. Immigration restrictions – How are these likely to affect your stay, job prospects, resident rights and access to services (e.g. Healthcare and education)?

3. Cost of living – Will you be able to afford to live in the local economy?

4. Education – What are the facilities like? How accessible is quality education to migrants (also see 2 and 3)? If you have young children or hope to start a family after you move, you want to examine this very carefully.

5. Employment prospects what are job opportunities available to suit your career objectives (also see 1, 2 and 7)?

6. Law and order - What are the crime statistics for the country you are considering? What are the local statistics where you will be living and working? You cannot take your personal safety or that of your family for granted.

7. Lifestyle – What do want to gain from living in your new country? What kind of person are you? Does your new country tick the boxes for your kind of person? Also see 1,3,6,8 and 9.

8. Accessibility – How accessible is the location for the shops, schools and day to day facilities you need. How accessible is it for travelling back home? how easy will it be for your family and friends to visit you?

9. Healthcare – What can you expect as standard healthcare? How much will it cost you? Can you afford it? Remember standards and availability of healthcare vary greatly throughout the world.

10. Climate – Do you like it cold or hot? How are the climatic extremes likely to affect your mental and physical well-being?

I'm not quite familiar with the taxation,benefits and type of govt there so I cann't really put a discussion.However,

Qs 1. Is Switzerland a nordic country?

Qs 2. Is education free in Switzerland?- This one is genuine-I really don't know.The closest I came to this country was my interest in doing an internship there.

[patt]

Originally Posted by ornoir

I have been living in Geneva for the last 4 years and would never consider returning to the US (I went to university and worked for two years in San Diego before moving here). It is grossly simplistic to equate the best places to live in world with income (as Crazy boo and Nerimae are doing). Those who have the choice, choose to live where they do because of the quality of life on offer. Amongst other things, this depends on:

1. Demographics – How easy will it be for you to fit into your new environment (i.e. Country and city), given the characteristics of the population?

2. Immigration restrictions – How are these likely to affect your stay, job prospects, resident rights and access to services (e.g. Healthcare and education)?

3. Cost of living – Will you be able to afford to live in the local economy?

4. Education – What are the facilities like? How accessible is quality education to migrants (also see 2 and 3)? If you have young children or hope to start a family after you move, you want to examine this very carefully.

5. Employment prospects what are job opportunities available to suit your career objectives (also see 1, 2 and 7)?

6. Law and order - What are the crime statistics for the country you are considering? What are the local statistics where you will be living and working? You cannot take your personal safety or that of your family for granted.

7. Lifestyle – What do want to gain from living in your new country? What kind of person are you? Does your new country tick the boxes for your kind of person? Also see 1,3,6,8 and 9.

8. Accessibility – How accessible is the location for the shops, schools and day to day facilities you need. How accessible is it for travelling back home? how easy will it be for your family and friends to visit you?

9. Healthcare – What can you expect as standard healthcare? How much will it cost you? Can you afford it? Remember standards and availability of healthcare vary greatly throughout the world.

10. Climate – Do you like it cold or hot? How are the climatic extremes likely to affect your mental and physical well-being?

According to the United Nations (United Nations Human Development Index 2007-2008), the top 40 countries in the world, to live in are shown below. If income was the main factor Kuwait (no. 33) would top the list (statistics - human development reports (undp)).

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. France
11. Finland
12. United states
13. Spain
14. Denmark
15. Austria
16. United kingdom
17. Belgium
18. Luxembourg
19. New zealand
20. Italy
21. Hong kong, china (sar)
22. Germany
23. Israel
24. Greece
25. Singapore
26. Korea, rep. Of
27. Slovenia
28. Cyprus
29. Portugal
30. Brunei darussalam
31. Barbados
32. Czech republic
33. Kuwait
34. Malta
35. Qatar
36. Hungary
37. Poland
38. Argentina
39. United arab emirates
40. Chile

Good insight poster.

Using the evidence you posted on best countries to live, Finland beat USA just.

So CB and Sanaa can rest it because their countries of residence all factors considered, have almost similar ranking.

However I liked CB's argument even though settling in the states for me would be the last alternative....wonder why? I live in the top three. Lakini mimi ningependeko finland sana coz i can someko bure, then jet to the top three and live my dream. my only worry is..hiyo makaratasi ya finland inaesa nipatieko kazi in the top three ama it's like those indian degrees that are looked down upon in kenya and almost all over the world.

I wouldn't want to be a janitor funding public education for all until I get to retirement age.

paying 11% out of a 1400 pay, sounds like very low tax to me. CB tuko pamoja? there must be a way they are funding this free education. It could be through IMF

@rayfisher
this is a very good thread. very informative and makes people aware of choices that they never knew existed, especially those thinking of going abroad.

[Sanaa-]

I hope the thread continues to stick to its significance.

[crazy boo]

@ Sanaa I wonder why you just deleted the post. But it didn't matter cuz I laughed. At the end of the day, like you said, its for the would be students.

[Sanaa-]

Originally Posted by crazy boo

@ Sanaa I wonder why you just deleted the post. But it didnt matter cuz I laughed.

I deleted it coz I decided its not worth replying to you in this light as it would beat the purpose of the thread. It is what it is.

There is a huge difference between facts and sentiments/personal opinion. When I started replying to you ,I was challenging the in correct facts you presented about this country not your personal judgement or opinion.

[fiery_preacher]

[quote=Nerimae;652239]Sanaa did I just read right? Did you just recommend for people to go to the Czech republic ati coz of free education? I have a friend in Russia, lets just say I wont even dream of stopping over in Russia, let alone study for free. I'm very much aware there's a diff between Czech & Russia, they are probably two diff countries but same ideology, heri I stay in Kenya.

There was a kenyan student brutaly murdered in Czech,and his parents had a difficult time getting assistance from the authorities.His body parts were missing when his body was discovered.Some countries are just sheer trauma.SO it is in good taste for kenyans living abroad to give good guidance to kenyans who want to study abroad,no need directing them to such countries.