Obama can sort us out by giving us back a Kenyan Obama!!

[KILL PROPAGANDA]

Any young leader hoping to b president should try what Obama did. start working in the grassroots and slowly rise to the national stage over the next 15 years.

Start by working in the villages, then become a councilor in a rural ward, then join the provincial legislature (hoping we have a new constitution), then finally got to parliament, make a name for himself, then run for presidency.

No shortcuts to leadership.

[pirates of mogadishu]

Originally Posted by straight talker

so you mean Obama imposes a US puppet on Kenya? no thank you..leta ingine

Street talker i dont know whether i should answer you or not. Anyway its called grooming. We have been unable to sort ourselves out as we vote thugs in high offices who rape and loot.
Arent we puppets to the local politico leadership mr talker or this is asking too much

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by KILL PROPAGANDA

Any young leader hoping to b president should try what Obama did. start working in the grassroots and slowly rise to the national stage over the next 15 years.

Before the 15 years elapse, what do you propose? We recycle Moi?

Or, if I was doing my grassroot work in the past fifteen years which happened to be under KANU/NARC/PNU administrations, am I disqualified?

If No, how then is PLO disqualified?

Wasn't Obama a Civil Servant and later a Senator in a Republican Administration which he strongly criticized for failed policies?

Double standards.

[KILL PROPAGANDA]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

Before the 15 years elapse, what do you propose? We recycle Moi?

Or, if I was doing my grassroot work in the past fifteen years which happened to be under KANU/NARC/PNU administrations, am I disqualified?

If No, how then is PLO disqualified?

Wasn't Obama a Civil Servant and later a Senator in a Republican Administration which he strongly criticized for failed policies?

Double standards.

Negro, Obama was never a civil servant. reread your newspapers. Unless teaching at the University is considered being a civil servant.

If you've been doing your grassroots work for the past 15 years then you're OK, as long as this did not entail being a Kanu youthwinger.

Obama was a senator under republican administration, but he did not approve of the policies of the republicans. Sorry, pal, but PLO was not only Kanu's lawyer, he always defended Kanu against the opposition.

When Matiba, Rubia, Raila, Orengo, etc were fighting for freedom, PLO was drawing cheques from Moi.

[YB*]

One truth that most don't apply though they know it is the fact that there is a separation between a 'change agent' and a 'leader'. Depending on who you are, you might choose to think about this or assume its an attack.

History, especially recent african history, has shown that leaders who actively fought for change,rather let me say agitated for change, were later to become despots, when they actually became leaders, most hijacked their constituitions and became presidents for life (sic). - Mobutu, Castro, Amin, Kenyatta,

A change agent has the capacity to change a 'status quo', whether positive or negative, that's their purpose, that's what hardwired into their core, they are firebrand and active, usually they are not very creative, their policies will almost always be the opposite of existing 'oppressive' policies. They have their purpose, but for sure its not to lead once the change is effected.

Many of this agents, once they achieve the purpose of removing the 'opposition' they are wide eyed in terms of the new role of leadership. To them its not a knack they have, by this I mean unifying the people, giving a people a sense of togetherness, a sense of purpose, hope, confidence, renewed energy, zeal, love and loyalty of the state.

Kenya does not need a firebrand Atwoli tempered kind of leader, we just need a visionary, with a firm hand. As far as anyone falls into the change agent criteria, that's not my cup of tea.

[KILL PROPAGANDA]

Originally Posted by YB*

One truth that most don't apply though they know it is the fact that there is a separation between a 'change agent' and a 'leader'. Depending on who you are, you might choose to think about this or assume its an attack.

History, especially recent african history, has shown that leaders who actively fought for change,rather let me say agitated for change, were later to become despots, when they actually became leaders, most hijacked their constituitions and became presidents for life (sic). - Mobutu, Castro, Amin, Kenyatta,

A change agent has the capacity to change a 'status quo', whether positive or negative, that's their purpose, that's what hardwired into their core, they are firebrand and active, usually they are not very creative, their policies will almost always be the opposite of existing 'oppressive' policies. They have their purpose, but for sure its not to lead once the change is effected.

Many of this agents, once they achieve the purpose of removing the 'opposition' they are wide eyed in terms of the new role of leadership. To them its not a knack they have, by this I mean unifying the people, giving a people a sense of togetherness, a sense of purpose, hope, confidence, renewed energy, zeal, love and loyalty of the state.

Kenya does not need a firebrand Atwoli tempered kind of leader, we just need a visionary, with a firm hand. As far as anyone falls into the change agent criteria, that's not my cup of tea.

Then to you Obama is not a leader.
His whole campaign theme was change. He is the biggest change agent currently.

Change agent and leader are not mutually exclusive concepts. neither are they the opposites of each other.

Also please indicate which part of history it is where Mobutu fought for change.

[YB*]

Originally Posted by KILL PROPAGANDA

Then to you Obama is not a leader.
His whole campaign theme was change. He is the biggest change agent currently.

Change agent and leader are not mutually exclusive concepts. neither are they the opposites of each other.

Also please indicate which part of history it is where Mobutu fought for change.

KP I would rather no talk about Obama right now because of the emotions that would arise, coz technically obama is not a leader, Obama is 'hope', hope that he will lead to canaan. In as much as he is the president, Obama sold hope.

Am not good in politics, especially expression so this might come out not as I intend but...

Obama is on record as never having voted for any bill, he has always stood on the fence so as not to offend anyone, of course, the campaign machinery explained all that away. Unless am mistaken his tenure as senator was too short for one to even talk about his 'leadership', am sure you will cite leading his campaign. Which is more the work of the 'party' than an individual's 'work'.

I meant a change agent in the sense, they are actually running a parallel system to the set/known one, agitating for change, like the mau mau, Frelimo etc. Thats what I meant, 'undermining' so to speak.

Obama will make the change, he is the change, but he is not a 'change agent', he did not force change by 'agitation', hmm wonder whether am coming through

I will get back to you on Mobutu - Lunch break

[KILL PROPAGANDA]

Originally Posted by YB*

KP I would rather no talk about Obama right now because of the emotions that would arise, coz technically obama is not a leader, Obama is 'hope', hope that he will lead to canaan. In as much as he is the president, Obama sold hope.

Am not good in politics, especially expression so this might come out not as I intend but...

Obama is on record as never having voted for any bill, he has always stood on the fence so as not to offend anyone, of course, the campaign machinery explained all that away. Unless am mistaken his tenure as senator was too short for one to even talk about his 'leadership', am sure you will cite leading his campaign. Which is more the work of the 'party' than an individual's 'work'.

I meant a change agent in the sense, they are actually running a parallel system to the set/known one, agitating for change, like the mau mau, Frelimo etc. Thats what I meant, 'undermining' so to speak.

Obama will make the change, he is the change, but he is not a 'change agent', he did not force change by 'agitation', hmm wonder whether am coming through

I will get back to you on Mobutu - Lunch break

That gibberish, bro.
You are saying absolutely nothing using very many words.

[Jerry D]

Yb*, you wrote,

technically obama is not a leader

technically,

leadership has been described as the “process of social influence in which one person is able to enlist the aid and support of others in the accomplishment of a common task”

and about obama we have,

after four years in new york city, obama moved to chicago, where he was hired as director of the developing communities project (dcp), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight catholic parishes in greater roseland (roseland, west pullman and riverdale) on chicago's far south side. He worked there for three years from june 1985 to may 1988.[26][28] during his three years as the dcp's director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000. His achievements included helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in altgeld gardens.

again wiki reports,

obama's election as the first black president of the harvard law review gained national media attention[33] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations.

i would say that leaders are not judged by the vote they cast. In actual sense, those who vote are the members but not the leaders themselves. if we want to speak technically.

[YB*]

Originally Posted by Jerry D

Yb*, you wrote, technically, and about obama we have, again wiki reports, i would say that leaders are not judged by the vote they cast. In actual sense, those who vote are the members but not the leaders themselves. if we want to speak technically.

Point taken. meant politically

KP that was expected from you on Obama.