Ati Killing innocent People is Fighting for Democracy. What a Psychopath?

[NjuriNcheke]

Originally Posted by mak&emoto

I said, take a chill pill, the youth will be released very soon, just wait and see.

Thousands of ODM youth have been arrested indiscriminately and held incommunicado in police cells throughout Nairobi, Nyanza, Western and the Rift Valley.

Despite holding them for months, the police are yet to adduced any evidence in court to support their case against those being held on these trumped up criminal charges. Most however have not been charged with anything, they are instead being "BONDED TO KEEP PEACE" WTF. Somehow, this is only targeting ODM youth, No one was arrested in Naivasha despite the atrocities committed in the name of revenge!

In plain words, if these youth are not released, those purportedly being resettled may as well forget about peace as they are likely to face the wrath of the host communities.

@ Native Son,
Tell your people to stick to the areas where they are native to.

Let me shoot straight to the point, cause some people will always remain in the darkness no matter how much one tries to get them to open their eyes and see the light. According to you, as a normal thinking being(assuming) was your god raila right or wrong in stating that goons who killed innocent people, looted and burnt property were fighting for democracy? Yes? or No? it's that simple, and I will leave you alone.

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by burning spear

all luo youths who were arrested in nyanza and elsewhere during the post election violence will be released on one condition, that they face the knife.
this will make their brains to think next time without the infuence of ngozi.

I suppose you now feel proud of yourself!

[NjuriNcheke]

Originally Posted by Ther-Meru

Ati stealing an election is the moral right for GEMA!. What a Psychopath?

Ati Killing innocent people over a lost election is the moral right for Jengs! What a retard?

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by NjuriNcheke

Let me shoot straight to the point, cause some people will always remain in the darkness no matter how much one tries to get them to open their eyes and see the light. According to you, as a normal thinking being(assuming) was your god raila right or wrong in stating that goons who killed innocent people, looted and burnt property were fighting for democracy? Yes? or No? it's that simple, and I will leave you alone.

I see that just like your god Kifaki and godess Martha, you too have a propensity to argue for argument's sake?

Now, Instead of payukaring here, can you table evidence or quote exactly where Raila or any ODMer has called on the government to release "goons who killed innocent people, looted and burnt property"?

What Raila, Ruto and the rest of the ODMers are calling for is the equitable application of the law. These are the facts:

1. Thousands of ODM youth have been arrested in ODM strongholds on the suspicion that they participated in criminal activities related to the post election chaos.

2. Majority of these youth have been held for months without being charged in court, the few who have been charged are yet to even take their pleas in court due to institutionalized judicial ineptitude.

3. In Kenya's judicial system, before a suspect is charged with a criminal offense in court, the AG's chambers is required to peruse the evidence on file and give consent for prosecution. This has not been done in any of those cases!

4. The youth who have not been charged in court are being "Bonded to Keep Peace" at a cost of Kshs. 50,000.00 per person.

5. The Mungiki youth who implemented the evil Kikuyu agenda on innocent Kenyans in Naivasha have been granted amnesty.

So if there is no evidence to support the ODM youth being charged in court, why not just release them?

[dynamite]

Which Mungiki has been granted amnesty, ama its another figment of imagination?

Isnt the Mungiki leader in prison already?

More over, the fact that the judiciary has been so inept, why havent the politicians argued for the bringing forth of these youths to have them charged, as oposed to seeking amnesty. With all the fabled lawyers, cant they seek the simple order of Habeus corpus? (i.e. bring forth the body to be charged or released). There are legal ways to seek the charges to be brought.

I say there can be no amnesty. Let anyone who was involved face the law, no excuses.

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by dynamite

Which Mungiki has been granted amnesty, ama its another figment of imagination?

Isnt the Mungiki leader in prison already?

More over, the fact that the judiciary has been so inept, why havent the politicians argued for the bringing forth of these youths to have them charged, as oposed to seeking amnesty. With all the fabled lawyers, cant they seek the simple order of Habeus corpus? (i.e. bring forth the body to be charged or released). There are legal ways to seek the charges to be brought.

I say there can be no amnesty. Let anyone who was involved face the law, no excuses.

Amnesty: A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.

The Mungiki who beheaded and mass murdered innocent Kenyans in Naivasha and other parts of Kenya together with their PNU financiers have been granted amnesty by Kibaki. If not please explain why despite the presence of abundant pictorial evidence and police having witnessed as they executed the ir evil crimes none of them are in police cells, jails and courts?

As regards the writ of Habeus Corpus, to successfully use this means, it requires that you hire a lawyer, if these youth and their families cannot afford the Kshs. 50K bond to keep peace, how exactly are they going to afford the lawyers.

Secondly, it would be applicable only in the instances where the persons have not been charged in court. What of the numerous cases where they have been arraigned in court, but have not yet been allowed to plead to charges because the Police are still supposedly investigating?

Thirdly, you are presupposing that the magistrates have not been unduly influenced by the government and will rule on what are obviously political cases without fear or favor.

[lmbijiwe]

Originally Posted by burning spear

all luo youths who were arrested in nyanza and elsewhere during the post election violence will be released on one condition, that they face the knife.
this will make their brains to think next time without the infuence of ngozi.

Please spare mashada your juvenile rants. This is the kind of GEMA chauvinism that not only goes to reinforce the mentallity that we look down on other tribes, but consider our ourselves better beings. Yet you are the same bigots doing the rounds on mashada under multiple handles churning out thread after thread on how other tribes are ganging up against our tribe.

[dynamite]

Originally Posted by mak&emoto

Amnesty: A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.

The Mungiki who beheaded and mass murdered innocent Kenyans in Naivasha and other parts of Kenya together with their PNU financiers have been granted amnesty by Kibaki. If not please explain why despite the presence of abundant pictorial evidence and police having witnessed as they executed the ir evil crimes none of them are in police cells, jails and courts?

As regards the writ of Habeus Corpus, to successfully use this means, it requires that you hire a lawyer, if these youth and their families cannot afford the Kshs. 50K bond to keep peace, how exactly are they going to afford the lawyers.

Secondly, it would be applicable only in the instances where the persons have not been charged in court. What of the numerous cases where they have been arraigned in court, but have not yet been allowed to plead to charges because the Police are still supposedly investigating?

Thirdly, you are presupposing that the magistrates have not been unduly influenced by the government and will rule on what are obviously political cases without fear or favor.

Mak&moto,
Amnesty: the definition is clear, for political offences. How is the burning of people, rape and looting a political offense?

Firstly, even if Mungiki perpetuated crimes, it does not excuse anybody else doing so. Moreover, Mungiki came to the fore in Naivasha and Nakuru in retaliation for the crimes committed before hand, and on the same note, yes, I agree with you that they too should be arrested if they havent already. (but haven't they? Isnt their leader already in jail and hundereds of the followers also in incarceration? Get your facts right on this one).

Secondly, if the likes of Raila, Orengo etc were serious about the release dont they have a battery of lawyers they can apply on a pro bono basis? If it is such a serious human rights issue, cant they get the KHRC or the numerous human rights bodies involved to secure the releases? They havent done so because they realize that it would raise more issues about who sponsored the youths, organized them and gave them weapons.

Ah yes, the perpetual argument about the judiciary being biased. If that was the case, how come when Ruto was being accused of corruption you were happy to say that the courts should try him and find him guilty? The trend by ODM and ODMers is whenever there is a legal issue that could be detrimental you are happy to say the courts are biased, yet on the same note when the courts have provided relief or in the case of Ruto not completed the process you are happy to say that the justice system should run its course. Make a choice, more over, have some intellectual honesty about it.

There must be no relief, anyone, i repeat ANYONE who was involved in the violence and crimes must be arrested and punished. No Amnesty.

[Ole Wanyika]

Originally Posted by burning spear

all luo youths who were arrested in nyanza and elsewhere during the post election violence will be released on one condition, that they face the knife.
this will make their brains to think next time without the infuence of ngozi.

Perfectly said. hahhaha

[ghetto4nr]

These actions are necessary by Kenyans countrywide to let your kind know that you are not welcome in our neighbourhoods anymore. Whereever you go, crime and corruption are sure to follow, go back to Mt. Kenya and leave us alone.