RIFT-VALLEY LAND issues will mess up uhuru kenyatta in 2012..

[kaleo2]

KIKUYU'S will be in shock when hon. ORENGO finally lets kenyan's finally have a copy 0f the ndung'u report....the money given to the kenyan government from 1962-1976 was used by kenyatta's homeguard's to settle kyuks in coast province and rift-valley for just ndururu's... u kyuks have no idea why mzee kenyatta would pick a kale in 1963 do u???..luhya's alone were double kale's population, so were luo's and kamba's...it was all about land, if kyuks think land is nolonger an issue then move ua thieving a.ss out of kale land..and dont bring the crap about maasai land.. uasin-gishu maasai are extinct courtesy of the nandi's in the 1700's... i thought u mungiki sons were more educated than that... looks like u are dumber and ignorant than i ever thought u are....reading some history might have been ua best insurance after all...

[tako la fisi]

Originally Posted by kaleo2

KIKUYU'S will be in shock when hon. ORENGO finally lets kenyan's finally have a copy 0f the ndung'u report....the money given to the kenyan government from 1962-1976 was used by kenyatta's homeguard's to settle kyuks in coast province and rift-valley for just ndururu's... u kyuks have no idea why mzee kenyatta would pick a kale in 1963 do u???..luhya's alone were double kale's population, so were luo's and kamba's...it was all about land, if kyuks think land is nolonger an issue then move ua thieving a.ss out of kale land..and dont bring the crap about maasai land.. uasin-gishu maasai are extinct courtesy of the nandi's in the 1700's... i thought u mungiki sons were more educated than that... looks like u are dumber and ignorant than i ever thought u are....reading some history might have been ua the best insurance after all...

Who cares if Ndungu report is released? It should be released for the whole world to see. You will notice a pattern, Kenyatta, MOI, Kibaki, Ruto, Biwott,Kosgey etc...are birds of a feather. You miss the point; Kaleos are killing and displacing legitimate land owners under the pretense of illegal allocated land. This is a fight you cant win because it will set a dangerous precedence. You can use central province as a scapegoat but Kalenjins are slowly and systematically isolating themselves. They are exposing themselves for the Nimrods they are with retarded arguments. First they claimed the blood thirsty killing rampage was about election fraud a grand coalition was formed. Your time is up Kalenjins; you cant disguise your savagery any longer. Don't pile the blame on Central when you had MOI for 24 yrs. Kalenjins cant use marginalization card when they kept voting for MOI overwhelming on the expense of other Kenyans sufferings. Orengo will just expose your backwardness and frivolous claims.

[Kabunja wa Gathuita]

Originally Posted by kaleo2

KIKUYU'S will be in shock when hon. ORENGO finally lets kenyan's finally have a copy 0f the ndung'u report....the money given to the kenyan government from 1962-1976 was used by kenyatta's homeguard's to settle kyuks in coast province and rift-valley for just ndururu's... u kyuks have no idea why mzee kenyatta would pick a kale in 1963 do u???..luhya's alone were double kale's population, so were luo's and kamba's...it was all about land, if kyuks think land is nolonger an issue then move ua thieving a.ss out of kale land..and dont bring the crap about maasai land.. uasin-gishu maasai are extinct courtesy of the nandi's in the 1700's... i thought u mungiki sons were more educated than that... looks like u are dumber and ignorant than i ever thought u are....reading some history might have been ua best insurance after all...

Seems like there is more into the historical injustices hyped so much about. Just reading Sunday Nation, http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynati...&newsid=121967, wish there could be more light on these past injustices

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by tako la fisi

who cares if ndungu report is released? it should be released for the whole world to see. You will notice a pattern, kenyatta, moi, kibaki, ruto, biwott,kosgey etc...are birds of a feather. You miss the point; kaleos are killing and displacing legitimate land owners under the pretense of illegal allocated land. This is a fight you cant win because it will set a dangerous precedence. You can use central province as a scapegoat but kalenjins are slowly and systematically isolating themselves. They are exposing themselves for the nimrods they are with retarded arguments. First they claimed the blood thirsty killing rampage was about election fraud a grand coalition was formed. Your time is up kalenjins; you cant disguise your savagery any longer. Don't pile the blame on central when you had moi for 24 yrs. Kalenjins cant use marginalization card when they kept voting for moi overwhelming on the expense of other kenyans sufferings. Orengo will just expose your backwardness and frivolous claims.

1963 independence, enter jomo kenyatta and gema land-buying companies

trouble is, we had a majimbo constitution at independence. Jennifer widner explained in her 1992 book, the rise of a party-state in kenya: from “harambee!” to “nyayo!” that kanu “urged central control of all regions in an effort to forestall local majimbo legislation restricting land transfer to those born in the area, and to maintain the foothold of the party’s kikuyu supporters in the rift valley land market”.

Many settlers were returning to britain. Kenyatta and his cronies quickly formed the settlement transfer fund schemes (stfs) and asked the british for a loan to the kenyan government, to buy off land from colonial settlers returning to britain. Good idea up to this point.

Britain, having been reassured by kenyatta that those settlers still wishing to stay on in kenya would not have their land repossessed, advanced the money. This money was used to buy settler land which was officially sold into the kenyatta initiated settlement transfer fund schemes (stfs).

next, kenyatta began to give away and sell for peanuts, these government (stfs)-acquired, former colonial land parcels, to himself, his family and cronies around 1964 and 1965. This is the point when the rain started beating kenya. Kenyatta’s then vice president, jaramogi oginga odinga, cried foul and rejected these acts of wanton land grabbing.

the opportunity to choose nationalism and selflessness over greed and ethnic tendencies was lost. Rather than address this land issue once and for all, kenyatta opted to replace the settler colonialsist in land they had initially grabbed from natives. We have began harvesting the seeds of the mustard sown by kenyatta in the 1960s. It will not be sweet at all.

the seroneys and other nandi and kipsigis leaders immediately cried foul when kenyatta ensued in his land grabbing tendencies. So were many maasai and miji-kenda leaders like ronald ngala. Their cries were feeble and over run. Today and tomorrow, their descendants will demand justice and restitution in an exercise that threatens to tear apart kenya’s social fabric. who will shoulder the burden of the fruits enjoyed by kenyatta and his cronies, moi and his cronies, and kibaki and his latter day cronies? will it be the poor kenyan taxpayer taking the bill in form of blood, and more taxes?

going back,…. Down memory lane….. In the immediate post-independence era, the moment, the seroneys and ogingas started crying foul, and nothing was done, we entered a dangerous phase of our nation’s socio-political path. The political leadership of kenya began carving out into two distinct groups.

The pro-kenyatta land beneficiaries, sycophants and apologists where daniel moi, paul ngei and others trooped towards,….and another force resisting the greedy post-independence governance by kenyatta which was led by jaramogi oginga odinga, and included several former kadu operatives like ronald ngala, jean marie seroney, masinde muliro, martin shikuku and others.

kenyatta soldiered on with his grabbing. He concurrently went ahead with to change the constitution to give immense imperial powers to the presidency. He further began using such powers to allocate more land to his cronies and sycophants. His salivating appetite for rift valley land largely.

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[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by tako la fisi

who cares if ndungu report is released? it should be released for the whole world to see. You will notice a pattern, kenyatta, moi, kibaki, ruto, biwott,kosgey etc...are birds of a feather. You miss the point; kaleos are killing and displacing legitimate land owners under the pretense of illegal allocated land. This is a fight you cant win because it will set a dangerous precedence. You can use central province as a scapegoat but kalenjins are slowly and systematically isolating themselves. They are exposing themselves for the nimrods they are with retarded arguments. First they claimed the blood thirsty killing rampage was about election fraud a grand coalition was formed. Your time is up kalenjins; you cant disguise your savagery any longer. Don't pile the blame on central when you had moi for 24 yrs. Kalenjins cant use marginalization card when they kept voting for moi overwhelming on the expense of other kenyans sufferings. Orengo will just expose your backwardness and frivolous claims.

kibaki, uhuru, moi have enough land to settle the idp's(mau mau veteran's families between them- this is rediculus!!

the extended kenyatta family alone owns an estimated 500,000 acres — approximately the size of nyanza province — according to estimates by independent surveyors and ministry of lands officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The kibaki and moi families also own large tracts of land though most of the moi family land is held in the names of his sons and daughters and other close family members. Most of the holders of the huge parcels of land are concentrated within the 17.2 per cent part of the country that is arable.

The remaining 80 per cent is mostly arid and semi arid land. In fact, according to the kenya land alliance, more than a half of the arable land in the country is in the hands of only 20 per cent of the 30 million kenyans.

That has left up to 13 per cent of the population absolutely landless while another 67 per cent on average own less than an acre per person.

[m kenya]

Originally Posted by tako la fisi

Who cares if Ndungu report is released? It should be released for the whole world to see. You will notice a pattern, Kenyatta, MOI, Kibaki, Ruto, Biwott,Kosgey etc...are birds of a feather. You miss the point; Kaleos are killing and displacing legitimate land owners under the pretense of illegal allocated land. This is a fight you cant win because it will set a dangerous precedence. You can use central province as a scapegoat but Kalenjins are slowly and systematically isolating themselves. They are exposing themselves for the Nimrods they are with retarded arguments. First they claimed the blood thirsty killing rampage was about election fraud a grand coalition was formed. Your time is up Kalenjins; you cant disguise your savagery any longer. Don't pile the blame on Central when you had MOI for 24 yrs. Kalenjins cant use marginalization card when they kept voting for MOI overwhelming on the expense of other Kenyans sufferings. Orengo will just expose your backwardness and frivolous claims.

Kalenjins cant use marginalization card when they kept voting for MOI overwhelming on the expense of other Kenyans sufferings. Orengo will just expose your backwardness and frivolous claims.

Why do i like the above, so point on...thanks tako la fisi