Global Warming biggest threat to you. Act Now !!!

[johnkaranja]

The biggest threat to you is not disease, poverty or corruption. It is global warming which will diminish our capacity to solve our problems. Already 10 million Kenyans are threatened by food scarcity.

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[Realistik Dreamer]

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Originally Posted by johnkaranja

The biggest threat to you is not disease, poverty or corruption. It is global warming which will diminish our capacity to solve our problems. Already 10 million Kenyans are threatened by food scarcity.

Watch this movie and equip yourself with knowledge that will be crucial for your own survival in the coming decades. Click Here

Thanks,

JohnKaranja.com[/QUOTE

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Please ask America and the west for that matter to drastically reduce their carbon emissions-Africa has none to speak of.

Please ask the west with their financial/environmental crackpots to quit with their Carbon trading joke: Buying rights to emmit carbon by "sponsoring" tree planting (in Africa) thus really not changing their vulgar consumer lifestyles


Please ask the real culprits to stop patronizing and hating the idea of China, India and ........Africa (once we put it together) wanting to enjoy modern creature comforts: We also need them. See?


Please advise African governments to increase/magnify/deepen/broaden the use of cooking gas so that our Mothers & sisters dont have to suffer using increasingly scarce firewood to cook!

Please stop believing this nonsense of global warming which is based on mere computer generated scenarios that are based on assumptions (guesswork) of scientists.....


I dont deny that the seasons act crazy these days but asking Africans and even asians to just relax in their non-carbon emission misery is just too much!


Let the west drive less, eat less and if these computor scenarios are true, then the weather will improve.

No back door colonialism please!

Note when all is said and done the west will never agree to change their consumer-driven lifestyles. They will saturate you with tonnes of jazz about the programmes to do this but if you look closely it is we Africans (and the poor in the west-Africans again!) who are expected to foot the bill in one way or the other. Period.

Poverty is the threat in Africa. Not this new-fangled idea of the little Malthusian devilswho want to reduce the Black Man's Population.

We are Africans! Be scientific!

[pirates of mogadishu]

The problem is not global warming itself, the real problem is our failure to act right from the top. America and the west who are the biggest carbon emitter have refused to sign Kyoto protocol insisting that by doing so, they will hurt their economy. In its place, they have brought in carbon tax which in essence means that poor countries will not export commodities to the west as a result of the carbon emission. Carbon tax if effected will cause dire consequences in Africa, including genocides and escalated civil war

I agree with real, our carbon emission is very low, but what he fails to realize is that we are the most vulnerable to global warming effects, since we are poorly equipped to deal with it. An example is now the prolonged drought currently ravaging across kenya for two years in a row now. But what can we exactly do . I will respond with some ideas

[johnkaranja]

Originally Posted by pirates of mogadishu

The problem is not global warming itself, the real problem is our failure to act right from the top. America and the west who are the biggest carbon emitter have refused to sign Kyoto protocol insisting that by doing so, they will hurt their economy. In its place, they have brought in carbon tax which in essence means that poor countries will not export commodities to the west as a result of the carbon emission. Carbon tax if effected will cause dire consequences in Africa, including genocides and escalated civil war

I agree with real, our carbon emission is very low, but what he fails to realize is that we are the most vulnerable to global warming effects, since we are poorly equipped to deal with it. An example is now the prolonged drought currently ravaging across kenya for two years in a row now. But what can we exactly do . I will respond with some ideas

You are right, real has failed to realise that we dont have the capacity to save ourselves from catastrophy. I have lived in England and i can assure you they have made the entire country green with exception of cities. It is very rare for you to see soil unless its winter when the grass has died.

[pirates of mogadishu]

Originally Posted by johnkaranja

You are right, real has failed to realise that we dont have the capacity to save ourselves from catastrophy. I have lived in England and i can assure you they have made the entire country green with exception of cities. It is very rare for you to see soil unless its winter when the grass has died.

Karanja, being green does not mean the green of trees and grass that we know let us go beyond that. Its all about undertaking our daily activities while environmental matters are at our priority. One thing we need to know is the full impact of global warming at local level. Its about that Maasai who is complaining of lack of pasture for his cows in two consecutive years. It is about the poor farmer in central and parts of North rift who can no longer plant maize and expect a harvest at the end of the year.

A major step in addressing problems arising as a result of global warming is sensitizing our people about it and then giving them the best way out of it. Remember, UK solutions to global warming can to some extent be unworkable at local level due to development gap.

[Realistik Dreamer]

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Originally Posted by pirates of mogadishu

Karanja, being green does not mean the green of trees and grass that we know let us go beyond that. Its all about undertaking our daily activities while environmental matters are at our priority.

He has not responded to me. I pray that he is doing his research carefully.

[Ni_Diambo]

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Please stop believing this nonsense of global warming which is based on mere computer generated scenarios that are based on assumptions (guesswork) of scientists.....

Poverty is the threat in Africa.

RD, I am with you on this one. I am a skeptic of this warming thing. Ozone depletion from CFCs and other unnatural industrial effluents, yes. But global warming from carbon, I need some VERY hard facts and figures to be convinced. This is especially given that the earth’s atmosphere is known to have heated and frozen in the past.

As for the carbon trade, it is a fad that will not last the next five or so years. There was a time waves of Americans used hit the road, jogging. Fitness was the in-thing. Now, obesity has taken over. Y2K compliance came, and people made a killing. A couple of years from now, we will be lamenting how Al Gore and Company Carbon-Traders, Inc. made a killing on the strength of some unfounded theories. But that’s human nature – apparently designed to be deceived.

However, even if global warming were real, I have said this before: Try telling it to the hawker on River Road, or the jua kali mechanic who has just received a police rungu on his skull on Kirinyaga Road. Does the mama who fries fish on a makaa jiko at Gikomba care about some of these ngoso things? We are more likely to become extinct from our daily survival threats (hunger, poverty, disease, insecurity etc) than from global warming.

Global warming, to the common mwananchi, is a bed-time story – if you have that time at all.

[pirates of mogadishu]

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Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

RD, I am with you on this one. I am a skeptic of this warming thing. Ozone depletion from CFCs and other unnatural industrial effluents, yes. But global warming from carbon, I need some VERY hard facts and figures to be convinced. This is especially given that the earth’s atmosphere is known to have heated and frozen in the past.

As for the carbon trade, it is a fad that will not last the next five or so years. There was a time waves of Americans used hit the road, jogging. Fitness was the in-thing. Now, obesity has taken over. Y2K compliance came, and people made a killing. A couple of years from now, we will be lamenting how Al Gore and Company Carbon-Traders, Inc. made a killing on the strength of some unfounded theories. But that’s human nature – apparently designed to be deceived.

Ni Diambo, global warming is

However, even if global warming were real, I have said this before: Try telling it to the hawker on River Road, or the jua kali mechanic who has just received a police rungu on his skull on Kirinyaga Road. Does the mama who fries fish on a makaa jiko at Gikomba care about some of these ngoso things? We are more likely to become extinct from our daily survival threats (hunger, poverty, disease, insecurity etc) than from global warming.

Global warming, to the common mwananchi, is a bed-time story – if you have that time at all.

Ni Diambo, global warming is real. the question we have to ask is if this phenomenon is man made, natural or both. My take is that its both but the man made effects are more dire since nature is not adapted enough to reverse the man made causes.

Let me say this, our common people in the village are more vulnerable to global warming than yourself. Consider a Maasai whose livestock has died progressively as a result of three year drought in Kajiado. Consider the 10 million kenyans who are starving as a result of change in rainfall patterns in the grain basket regions. Of course our problems are further compounded by our other man made weaknesses such as PEV and corruption on maize.

I come from RV and until recently i.e from year 2000 i have been knowing that once you plant maize on march you will harvest on September or december. Its no longer the same. Of course folks in the village will call it Kiangazi but for you and me we know its because of global warming.

Our real problem is not global warming, our threat is the failure to respond to this threat in the right way with local tailor made solutions. We want foreign solutions ( Al gore et al) to work in Kenya and as such, we can keep dreaming

[Ni_Diambo]

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Originally Posted by Ni_Diambo

Ni Diambo, global warming is real. the question we have to ask is if this phenomenon is man made, natural or both.

I come from RV and until recently i.e from year 2000 i have been knowing that once you plant maize on march you will harvest on September or december. Its no longer the same. Of course folks in the village will call it Kiangazi but for you and me we know its because of global warming.

I'm not saying it's not real. As I said, the earth is known to have warmed (and frozen) in the past. All I'm asking for are hard facts that this is due to carbon and not a (largely) natural repeat of the previous cycles.

We all know weather patterns are changing. It snows less or heavier, we have el-Nino or draught etc. We also know that tropical fossils have been found in Siberia and lifeforms that thrive in cooler areas found in the Sahara.

Trouble is: Prove that carbon is the one responsible for this. I am not refuting, I am simply skeptical. All I need HARD proof.

After proving it, go try and convince the hawker that this should be one of his most important priorities - or that comet that will strike earth in 2028 or something.

[johnkaranja]

[QUOTE=pirates of mogadishu;835994]

Originally Posted by Ni_Diambo

Ni Diambo, global warming is real. the question we have to ask is if this phenomenon is man made, natural or both. My take is that its both but the man made effects are more dire since nature is not adapted enough to reverse the man made causes.

Let me say this, our common people in the village are more vulnerable to global warming than yourself. Consider a Maasai whose livestock has died progressively as a result of three year drought in Kajiado. Consider the 10 million kenyans who are starving as a result of change in rainfall patterns in the grain basket regions. Of course our problems are further compounded by our other man made weaknesses such as PEV and corruption on maize.

I come from RV and until recently i.e from year 2000 i have been knowing that once you plant maize on march you will harvest on September or december. Its no longer the same. Of course folks in the village will call it Kiangazi but for you and me we know its because of global warming.

Our real problem is not global warming, our threat is the failure to respond to this threat in the right way with local tailor made solutions. We want foreign solutions ( Al gore et al) to work in Kenya and as such, we can keep dreaming

The solutions to global warming are the same everywhere.

Use renewable energy sources, design cities in environmental ways, recycle water and adopt organic agricultural practises