[teejay]

Originally Posted by missed call

raila has been opposing all the govts, whether he is part of it or not. yet he doesnt want his govt to be opposed. what plans does he have without the opposition? why does he want to run a govt with no checks? who has been the number one opposer of everything in kenya if not him? shame, shame, shame on u raila. run ur office and leave the other mps. whether they form a grand opposition or not is not ur biz! play ur part to give kenya ur promises.
i have said again and again, that raila is an idi-amini replica, with intensified selfish dictatorship.

Missed Call please pay attention to the event that commence around you. when you want to criticize do it rationally. Everybody knows that we in ODM were forced to coalesce with PNU for the purpose of saving this country. These are special circumstances under which a government involving all the major and small political parties became part of the government.

The National accord is conspicuously mute on the issue of an opposition perhaps because it takes into consideration the circumstances under which the government was formed. The country was polarized and leaving a loophole for an opposition would not have help the already worse situation. The National accord was a temporary agreement reached in order stay they suffering that Kenyans were undergoing until a proper constitution was achieved. It is my wide expectation that this will then lay the ground for a for fresh after 5 years if not sooner.

Now this Country is a democracy, and opposition is healthy even in an intra-party set-up. I do believe that formation of an Grand Opposition just for the sake of checking on government is pure balderdash. One can still tell off the government from the back benches. The days when KANU used to punish disapproving opinions are long gone. Raila being a product of the opposition best knows that indeed an opposition is important in a thriving democracy, but also realizes as a statesman that these are not normal times, thus it impossible to operate things in the traditional pattern where an opposition exists to churn out is constitutional duties. He has not once, said that he wishes not be opposed, but says that the National accord will be undermined. It is therefore sad that missed call cannot understand these simple things.

In my view if the marriage between ODM and PNU will not work then let us got fresh elections.

[manvikta]

Originally Posted by teejay

Missed Call please pay attention to the event that commence around you. when you want to criticize do it rationally. Everybody knows that we in ODM were forced to coalesce with PNU for the purpose of saving this country. These are special circumstances under which a government involving all the major and small political parties became part of the government.
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In my view if the marriage between ODM and PNU will not work then let us got fresh elections.

Hapana! We need non cabinet members in all committees.

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by manvikta

hapana! we need non cabinet members in all committees.

we all know what has been happening behind the scenes !!like ababu thinks kenyans are blind- do you sincerly think that by eating githeri with martha karua secretly it would not come out: ati using girongo as a buffer-(martha of course won't prosecute jirongo if he toes her line and ababu's) raila was right ababu should defect to martha karua's party now so that odm can seek for another candidate in his constituency- why should he be given a chance to destroy odm from within when he has one leg over with martha karua??

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by manvikta

hapana! we need non cabinet members in all committees.

we all know what has been happening behind the scenes !!like ababu thinks kenyans are blind- do you sincerly think that by eating githeri with martha karua secretly it would not come out: ati using girongo as a buffer-(martha of course won't prosecute jirongo if he toes her line and ababu's) raila was right ababu should defect to martha karua's party now so that odm can seek for another candidate in his constituency- why should he be given a chance to destroy odm from within when he has one leg over with martha karua??

[missed call]

Originally Posted by teejay

Missed Call please pay attention to the event that commence around you. when you want to criticize do it rationally. Everybody knows that we in ODM were forced to coalesce with PNU for the purpose of saving this country. These are special circumstances under which a government involving all the major and small political parties became part of the government.

The National accord is conspicuously mute on the issue of an opposition perhaps because it takes into consideration the circumstances under which the government was formed. The country was polarized and leaving a loophole for an opposition would not have help the already worse situation. The National accord was a temporary agreement reach in order stay they suffering that Kenyans were undergoing until a proper constitution was acheived. It is my wide expectations that this will then lay the ground for a for fresh after 5 years if not sooner.

Now this Country is a democracy, and opposition is healthy even in an intra-party set-up. I do believe that formation of an Grand Opposition just for the sake of checking on government is pure balderdash. One can still tell the government from the back benches. The days when KANU used to punish disapproving opinions are long gone. Raila being a product of the opposition best knows that indeed an opposition is important in thriving democracy, but also realizes as a statesman that these are not normal times thus it impossible to operate things in the traditional pattern where an oppositions exists to churn out is constitutional duties. He has not once, said that he wishes not be opposed, but says that the National accord will be undermined. It is therefore sad that missed call cannot understand these simple things.

In my view if the marriage between ODM and PNU will not work then let us got fresh elections.

u have to understand that the reason raila is against the grand opposition is not coz of its legal or constitutional technicalities, but simply because "... they are leaving us whereas we need a strong odm in the house ..". why allow such selfishness to eat him up!

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by missed call

u have to understand that the reason raila is against the grand opposition is not coz of its legal or constitutional technicalities, but simply because "... They are leaving us whereas we need a strong odm in the house ..". Why allow such selfishness to eat him up!

well if that is the reasoning?? why should he allow ababu to use odm ticket while busy sneaking around with martha karua?? si he joins martha's party?? as for the rest even if it is not illegal?? what mandate were they voted in with from their constituencies?? has ababu gone back to the people of budalangi and asked them if they agree on him forming an opposition?? i haven't heard of him going home and holding a meeting with them- so i still maintain all this mp's must go ask their voters if they agree with their principal that is called democracy- you do not change your direction half way before going back and getting a mandate from the people who voted in that parliament!!just my views i maybe wrong 2012 will tell!!

[missed call]

Originally Posted by Miscellaneous

well if that is the reasoning?? why should he allow ababu to use odm ticket while busy sneaking around with martha karua?? si he joins martha's party?? as for the rest even if it is not illegal?? what mandate were they voted in with from their constituencies?? has ababu gone back to the people of budalangi and asked them if they agree on him forming an opposition?? i haven't heard of him going home and holding a meeting with them- so i still maintain all this mp's must go ask their voters if they agree with their principal that is called democracy- you do not change your direction half way before going back and getting a mandate from the people who voted in that parliament!!just my views i maybe wrong 2012 will tell!!

remember again, that the grand coalition govt was agreed upon by only two people .. kibaki and raila.
we all know that the agreement was hurried up and many things overlooked, including a possibility of forming a grand opposition. and many other technicalities, and thats y mutula is busy furnishing everything in its correct form.
and i insist, if some members of two parties can agree to form a grand coalition without getting mandate from the electorate, then it should be democratic, legal and constitutional for other members of the same parties to form a grand opposition.

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by missed call

remember again, that the grand coalition govt was agreed upon by only two people .. Kibaki and raila. We all know that the agreement was hurried up and many things overlooked, including a possibility of forming a grand opposition. And many other technicalities, and thats y mutula is busy furnishing everything in its correct form. And i insist, if some members of two parties can agree to form a grand coalition without getting mandate from the electorate, then it should be democratic, legal and constitutional for other members of the same parties to form a grand opposition.

it is not the idea of a grand opposition the problem to me we haven't even seen the coalition working?? there are still many problems coming up?? meanwhile we need to have that constitution within a year- then there is the idp resettlement!! food shortages - fuel prices going overboard , security on our borders e.t.c- is this the job we voters paid them to go do in parliament?? appear every day on media discussing grand opposition?? have you had ababu or jirongo talk about the plight of kenyans i.e idp's why are we tax payers paying them big salaries if what they are doing is working the corridors looking for signatures and liberating on grand opposition??? have kenyans even accepted the coalition government yet?? you saw the reaction first in rift valley during the kibaki and raila's trip?? you have seen the mungiki menace?? then you saw recently the reaction in nyanza and western?? i believe they should have waited for a few things to be sorted out first before jumping in and demanding a grand opposition- kenyans are bleeding still- kenya is not yet a happy nation and having too many spoons in a pot spoils the broth- you might see things escalating to a point of no return!!!! again everyone understands we need an opposition in parliament- but remember why kenya is in this predicament? it was to stop more bloodshed!! and ababu and his group i do not see them doing such a fantastic job in this climate that the country is in now!! why the hurry?? why can't they take a step back and look around them? ask first are kenyans happy??? are the idp's being dsorted out- how about the food?? e.t.c!! i just find them on a revenge path since they did not get ministerial positions- why then didn't they insist to earlier? on this grand opposition?? or go about it the right way by members calling for a party meeting first - with their electorate?? why use the media to make your points??? it shows lack of respect and team work from them actually- is grand opposition more important then the suffuring of our kenyans who are still in tents- i suggest then this mp's should not be paid and unless the show us what work they have done for this 2 months?? i have yet to see what they have done!!

[missed call]

Originally Posted by Miscellaneous

it is not the idea of a grand opposition the problem to me we haven't even seen the coalition working?? there are still many problems coming up?? meanwhile we need to have that constitution within a year- then there is the idp resettlement!! food shortages - fuel prices going overboard , security on our borders e.t.c- is this the job we voters paid them to go do in parliament?? appear every day on media discussing grand opposition?? have you had ababu or jirongo talk about the plight of kenyans i.e idp's why are we tax payers paying them big salaries if what they are doing is working the corridors looking for signatures and liberating on grand opposition??? have kenyans even accepted the coalition government yet?? you saw the reaction first in rift valley during the kibaki and raila's trip?? you have seen the mungiki menace?? then you saw recently the reaction in nyanza and western?? i believe they should have waited for a few things to be sorted out first before jumping in and demanding a grand opposition- kenyans are bleeding still- kenya is not yet a happy nation and having too many spoons in a pot spoils the broth- you might see things escalating to a point of no return!!!! again everyone understands we need an opposition in parliament- but remember why kenya is in this predicament? it was to stop more bloodshed!! and ababu and his group i do not see them doing such a fantastic job in this climate that the country is in now!! why the hurry?? why can't they take a step back and look around them? ask first are kenyans happy??? are the idp's being dsorted out- how about the food?? e.t.c!! i just find them on a revenge path since they did not get ministerial positions- why then didn't they insist to earlier? on this grand opposition?? or go about it the right way by members calling for a party meeting first - with their electorate?? why use the media to make your points??? it shows lack of respect and team work from them actually- is grand opposition more important then the suffuring of our kenyans who are still in tents- i suggest then this mp's should not be paid and unless the show us what work they have done for this 2 months?? i have yet to see what they have done!!

now u reason. that means raila and kibaki rushed over the deal in the name of saving the country? which was important anyway. they didnt consult anyway. and no one opposed them. they preached intra and inter party democracy. thats what ababu is doing. he shouldnt deny them a chance.
and again, if the deal was rushed, it means there are other things that were overlooked ... which might include grand opposition. we r kicking out selfishness!

[Miscellaneous]

Originally Posted by missed call

now u reason. That means raila and kibaki rushed over the deal in the name of saving the country? which was important anyway. They didnt consult anyway. And no one opposed them. They preached intra and inter party democracy. Thats what ababu is doing. He shouldnt deny them a chance. And again, if the deal was rushed, it means there are other things that were overlooked ... Which might include grand opposition. We r kicking out selfishness!

yes even if other things were over-looked?? isn't it about time we dealt with human life first?? can ababu carry the grand opposition signed papers to the budalanga people to eat?? there is terrible hunger in his constituency??like everywhere else in kenya, after building a house?? can't one live in it for a while with a few furnitures even a table and a chair and sleep on the floor while trying to arrange for other items??
don't you know the excitement of a new house or even a new room in college when you are a first year e.t.c?? what i'm saying id they should let the grand coalition be firmly in place then work on the grand opposition!! they might be busy working and pushing for a grand opposition and the back bone that is holding everything together collapses(grand coalition?? then what?? will they still have the grand opposition?? nope because they all belong to this two grand coalition?? so ?? ether way they should have waited to let the grand coalition settle in properly!! it is not set yet!!we are confusing issues and going round and round! it does not help kenya!!people are still out there dying!!