[War Veteran]

Originally Posted by ghetto4nr

I am a work in progress, what is your excuse? And correct me if I am wrong, you are just another clone. I have been ghetto4nr from day one and you can disect all my postings as you just did, the message is the same today as it was back then. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by ghetto4nr View Post
I do not mean to offend anyone with this statement, but it is true for us and most other African countries. Why do we think as a tribe first then, ethinicity (bantu, Nilote etc) and then as a Kenyan. If you really think about it we should think about ourselves in the total opposite way; Kenyan first, ethnicity second and tribe last of all.
I was sitting down and thinking what it is that I really despise about Kikuyus, but it is something that I am guilty of as well. They are so pro-kikuyu as if somebody ever questioned their tribe (It is like those Americans flying their flags on their porches and cars IN THE U.S.). I am luhya first before anything else and it will take a generation or two to pluck this retrogressive attitude that I have.
Unless we start thinking as a nation first we are doomed to keep fighting each other and voting along these tribal lines. How can we get to a point where our internal squabbles become international news? Our former colonial masters would have a field day if they were allowed to re-conquer us.

I think we can only discuss issues 'a generation or two' from now when your mind isn't clouded by ethnic bigotry. What worries me is that you are evolving in the wrong direction - more of retrogression - with every new posting.

[Realistik Dreamer]

Originally Posted by ghetto4nr

I do not mean to offend anyone with this statement, but it is true for us and most other African countries. Why do we think as a tribe first then, ethinicity (bantu, Nilote etc) and then as a Kenyan. If you really think about it we should think about ourselves in the total opposite way; Kenyan first, ethnicity second and tribe last of all.
I was sitting down and thinking what it is that I really despise about Kikuyus, but it is something that I am guilty of as well. They are so pro-kikuyu as if somebody ever questioned their tribe (It is like those Americans flying their flags on their porches and cars IN THE U.S.). I am luhya first before anything else and it will take a generation or two to pluck this retrogressive attitude that I have.
Unless we start thinking as a nation first we are doomed to keep fighting each other and voting along these tribal lines. How can we get to a point where our internal squabbles become international news? Our former colonial masters would have a field day if they were allowed to re-conquer us.

Realistik Dreamer:Ghetto 4nr,I partially agree with you. However let us remember that history as taught to us conditions us with attitudes that affect our behavior.

So let us ask ourselves:

a) Do we really know our true history: for eg the word tribe is derogatory (you dont hear the english calling themselves tribes when they are fighting the germans or french for eg!)
More important all the nations in kenya are a mixture in blood in their histories till today. For example the kikuyus and the maasai have intermarried alot in their past. The luos have absorbed (culturally) bantus like the abasuba who came from ug.There is no such thing as a pure tribal (I loathe this colonial word) lineage on earth-live alone Kenya.

b) If you accept the above as fact-which it is then you ask yourself who has gained in history till now from this myth of tribal purity?Not many youth I dare say-or even the older kenyans. Just a few thugs...

c) History immediately reminds us that barely 150yrs ago there was no such thing as Kenya. Who formed it? The British thieves and murderers. Why? For their convenience-to suck your blood and mine.Who suffers till today?..........

d)BLACK AFRICANS (not tribes) All over Africa and the diaspora(whether voluntary or forced by ancentral slavery or otherwise)

Link your GREAT BLACK AFRICAN PAST to today and free your mind off the isms & tricks of Black & white politicians, economists, christian & imam preachers peddling white gods.Then you will know who/what your true enemy is.He is not your fellow Kenyan African bro/sis, whatever you may hear or feel!

History has plenty of answers for Africa's future!

[ghetto4nr]

That was a good read, please share more positive insightful views.

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[m kenya]

Ever since the tower of Babel, people have never been able to think of themselves as sijui X first....

Americans are either republicans, democrats, whites, blacks, latinos, lowerclass, middleclass, upperclass, ivyleague, etc etc......


The backwardness in the message is that we can ever reach a point where tribe and other parameters dissapear and we think of ourselves as Black people. That is crap. it will never happen. See, even if we reach that point, we will still think of ourselves as Kenyans first, then we have to think as Africans first, then we have to think as World citizens first..

But if you go that high up, you lose your identity.

The thing is not to advocate for us to think as "Kenyans" becoz there is nothing called Kenya other than a geographical space on the earth, the people found in that geographical space have their own identity, thing is, we need to promote respect for each other. Not trying to achieve utopia identity.

[xurigal]

Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

realistik dreamer:we need to be clear here(at least i am not). Promote respect for each other as who to who?individuals, tribes? (i hate this word-but i sense it is what you mean?)
you further indicate that we erase kenya from our minds-to be replaced with what?
note that i agree with you on this in the following manner: intead of narrowing our world view through tribal prisms (because this is backward & tribes are not even blood pure anyway), we should think as black africans from the state of kenya.
The future is the united states of africa as lions like nkrumah envisaged. It will happen when you are ready. It is the plan of the au.
Do you say this is impossible?

i am a pan-africanist, am optimistic tat africa will one day be one

[Realistik Dreamer]

m kenya
ever since the tower of babel, people have never been able to think of themselves as sijui x first.... Americans are either republicans, democrats, whites, blacks, latinos, lowerclass, middleclass, upperclass, ivyleague, etc etc......

realistik dreamer: First, let us not get side-tracked with the tower of babel story & the american tribal/class divisions. These are irrelevant The basic reality of black africans world wide :

the poorest most oppressed human beings for over 2700 years on basis of skin color.

That alone is a common identity. African basic culture is the same from timbuktu to cape town: mutual respect, respect for elders, hard work etc.

Only stooges (academics, politicians, businessmen, economists, imams & padres of foreign deities) will have you doubt that the injustice the black race continues to endure.or that unity is utopian as you call it.

White people are united to plunder and rule the world-are they living in a utopia? no!they are living and living good (materially) at our expense! white people are united by their common cooked up myth of greece as the tap of their civilization philosophy, science, mathematics etc.

Their learned ones however, know this is a sham (eg martin bernal's book-black athena confirms this) all their knowledge matter was absorbed from black african kmt (egypt) your ancestors, mine too through guile & unspeakable violence.

You underestimate this greece myth's power and benefit to european culture and civilization! they still have their cultural nuances but they are united to conquer eg nato, eu, world bank etc.

If you dont believe black africans should not attempt to bring about a cultural/historical ideal base on classical african civilization then you choose to remain cynical, ignorant or you give up too easy.

This unity will happen eventually with or without you or me. the injustice of the past & present of the black people's situation cries out for balance!

mkenya:the backwardness in the message is that we can ever reach a point where tribe and other parameters dissapear and we think of ourselves as black people. That is crap. It will never happen. See, even if we reach that point, we will still think of ourselves as kenyans first, then we have to think as africans first, then we have to think as world citizens first.. But if you go that high up, you lose your identity.

realistik dreamer: this message is far from backwards.on the contrary. See, we africans have been hopelessly conditioned not to believe in anything good comming from within us! we even need our enemies to confirm our goodness. Our humanity. We have agreed to be infantilized. Look how we used to abuse wangari maathai!
after the whites gave her the nobel we went all ga ga for her! progress is
true african-black liberation! this is why the cia got rid of black men like kwame nkrumah. It is your myopic fixations with the tough job ahead that are backward. We all need to free our minds-DETOX!

They would not have bothered to kill osagyefo kwame nkrumah, if they thought african unity is child's play! It is not. it is the liberation of the universe! think about it. They dont fancy that idea. Do yo?

m kenya: the thing is not to advocate for us to think as "kenyans" becoz there is nothing called kenya other than a geographical space on the earth, the people found in that geographical space have their own identity, thing is, we need to promote respect for each other. Not trying to achieve utopia identity.

realistik dreamer:we need to be clear here(at least i am not). Promote respect for each other as who to who?individuals, tribes? (i hate this word-but i sense it is what you mean?)
you further indicate that we erase kenya from our minds-to be replaced with what?
note that i agree with you on this in the following manner: intead of narrowing our world view through tribal prisms (because this is backward & tribes are not even blood pure anyway), we should think as black africans from the state of kenya.

The future is the UNITED STATES OF AFRICA as lions like nkrumah envisaged.
It will happen when you are ready. It is the plan of the AU.

Do you say this is impossible?

[m kenya]

Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

m kenya
ever since the tower of babel, people have never been able to think of themselves as sijui x first.... Americans are either republicans, democrats, whites, blacks, latinos, lowerclass, middleclass, upperclass, ivyleague, etc etc......

realistik dreamer: First, let us not get side-tracked with the tower of babel story & the american tribal/class divisions. These are irrelevant The basic reality of black africans world wide :

the poorest most oppressed human beings for over 2700 years on basis of skin color.

That alone is a common identity. African basic culture is the same from timbuktu to cape town: mutual respect, respect for elders, hard work etc.

Only stooges (academics, politicians, businessmen, economists, imams & padres of foreign deities) will have you doubt that the injustice the black race continues to endure.or that unity is utopian as you call it.

White people are united to plunder and rule the world-are they living in a utopia? no!they are living and living good (materially) at our expense! white people are united by their common cooked up myth of greece as the tap of their civilization philosophy, science, mathematics etc.

Their learned ones however, know this is a sham (eg martin bernal's book-black athena confirms this) all their knowledge matter was absorbed from black african kmt (egypt) your ancestors, mine too through guile & unspeakable violence.

You underestimate this greece myth's power and benefit to european culture and civilization! they still have their cultural nuances but they are united to conquer eg nato, eu, world bank etc.

If you dont believe black africans should not attempt to bring about a cultural/historical ideal base on classical african civilization then you choose to remain cynical, ignorant or you give up too easy.

This unity will happen eventually with or without you or me. the injustice of the past & present of the black people's situation cries out for balance!

mkenya:the backwardness in the message is that we can ever reach a point where tribe and other parameters dissapear and we think of ourselves as black people. That is crap. It will never happen. See, even if we reach that point, we will still think of ourselves as kenyans first, then we have to think as africans first, then we have to think as world citizens first.. But if you go that high up, you lose your identity.

realistik dreamer: this message is far from backwards.on the contrary. See, we africans have been hopelessly conditioned not to believe in anything good comming from within us! we even need our enemies to confirm our goodness. Our humanity. We have agreed to be infantilized. Look how we used to abuse wangari maathai!
after the whites gave her the nobel we went all ga ga for her! progress is
true african-black liberation! this is why the cia got rid of black men like kwame nkrumah. It is your myopic fixations with the tough job ahead that are backward. We all need to free our minds-DETOX!

They would not have bothered to kill osagyefo kwame nkrumah, if they thought african unity is child's play! It is not. it is the liberation of the universe! think about it. They dont fancy that idea. Do yo?

m kenya: the thing is not to advocate for us to think as "kenyans" becoz there is nothing called kenya other than a geographical space on the earth, the people found in that geographical space have their own identity, thing is, we need to promote respect for each other. Not trying to achieve utopia identity.

realistik dreamer:we need to be clear here(at least i am not). Promote respect for each other as who to who?individuals, tribes? (i hate this word-but i sense it is what you mean?)
you further indicate that we erase kenya from our minds-to be replaced with what?
note that i agree with you on this in the following manner: intead of narrowing our world view through tribal prisms (because this is backward & tribes are not even blood pure anyway), we should think as black africans from the state of kenya.

The future is the UNITED STATES OF AFRICA as lions like nkrumah envisaged.
It will happen when you are ready. It is the plan of the AU.

Do you say this is impossible?

Kijana you seem to have a problem using the icons for "quote"

I have noticed in all your replies you take time to write someone elses name and thoughts, followed by your name and thoughts.

The software on mashada called "quote" helps you do that. Do what? Include your name and thoughts plus another posters name and thoughts...that way you can dedicate your energies to just keying in the answer.

Reading your posts is like eating cement..you are soo tedious and long winded.

Get the basics of using the tools for reply first.

[mo-uk]

Tribe is an identification process that we kenyans use to differentiate from each other. It should not be used to discriminate against certain groups, and most of all it should not be used to murder people.

[pinyowacho]

replace the word TRIBE with NATIONALITY. i have adopted this trend in my posting but brethrens are slow to get the cue and actually av been trashed for using phrases like '...kenyan nationality from the lake etc.

according to the oldest webster dictionary, a tribe is a group of plants or animals in a swampy area. in terms of people, a tribe is a primitive sub-species of human race.