[ciceraw]

I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

• Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?

• Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?

• The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

[tako la fisi]

Originally Posted by ciceraw

I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

• Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?

• Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?

• The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

We hear you loud and clear; PNU guys would like what is just but ODM can't keep dangling violence as a recourse.If ODM had used peaceful means to mobilize people even die hard Kibaki supporters would indeed have a change of heart. ODM sh1t on the whole process by appointing Ruto as an agent of peace. The whole process is screwed and the only way out is denounce leaders from both sides. The whole country should have a peaceful demonstration against the current leadership.If an election is called, Kibaki and Raila should not stand period. This idea would only work if ODM guys supported it.

[TikTok]

^^Tell PNU to start the demos and not wait for ODM to do it for them, then the whole of Kenya will be with them.

[William Rutto]

I dont know why some fools think that ODM supporters are violent. I disagree with them totally. ODM supporters are just a frustrated lot with what Kibaki and his team is doing to the country.

If you were treated the way PNU/Gema is treating kenyans, you get violent, how else do you scare your enemy if you dont beat him?

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by tako la fisi

We hear you loud and clear; PNU guys would like what is just but ODM can't keep dangling violence as a recourse.If ODM had used peaceful means to mobilize people even die hard Kibaki supporters would indeed have a change of heart. ODM sh1t on the whole process by appointing Ruto as an agent of peace. The whole process is screwed and the only way out is denounce leaders from both sides. The whole country should have a peaceful demonstration against the current leadership.If an election is called, Kibaki and Raila should not stand period. This idea would only work if ODM guys supported it.

Kibaki would not qualify (he will already have served his second term), but perhaps you could enlighten us on the basis for your excluding Raila from the next election?

[Ni_Diambo]

is that ciceraw?

[leamas]

Originally Posted by ciceraw

I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

• Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?

• Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?

• The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

one of the very few sensible,balanced posts.wish there were more pple like you,mashada would certainly be a tribal-free zone

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by ciceraw
I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?
Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?
The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

Much as I disagree with you, that's eloquently put.

However, you don't get that far up the ladder by being a quitter. In his mind, 50% percent of Kenya gave Hon. Kibaki the thumbs up! Dude is going to dig in for more bruising battles.

ODM has a well-oiled PR Machine that has PNU and its affiliates playing catch up, and looking like the bad guy in a WWE wrestling match.

By the way, Ciceraw, If Emilio were to hang up his gloves and Hon. Raila were to take over, don't you think it would still be a case of heads they win, tails we lose?

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by bloggeratti

Much as I disagree with you, that's eloquently put.

However, you don't get that far up the ladder by being a quitter. In his mind, 50% percent of Kenya gave Hon. Kibaki the thumbs up! Dude is going to dig in for more bruising battles.

ODM has a well-oiled PR Machine that has PNU and its affiliates playing catch up, and looking like the bad guy in a WWE wrestling match.

By the way, Ciceraw, If Emilio were to hang up his gloves and Hon. Raila were to take over, don't you think it would still be a case of heads they win, tails we lose?

bloggeratti,
I can bet you that if Raila took over, all the "tutawakojorea" crap in the country would cease. I doubt that you Kyuks would have the fire in your bellies to fight Raila when you would be among the biggest beneficiaries of his rule.

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by mak&emoto

bloggeratti,
I can bet you that if Raila took over, all the "tutawakojorea" crap in the country would cease. I doubt that you Kyuks would have the fire in your bellies to fight Raila when you would be among the biggest beneficiaries of his rule.

I hope this doesn't sound like an insult to you, Sir Mak. Lakini, I will put it down for you as simply as I would do for my 12 year old son.

John Githongo in his now-famous interview on BBC Hard Talk said,"

Neither Raila nor Kibaki have the political will to make the sacrifices necessary to heal Kenya.

True, practical as we are, we Okuyos would move on, look for opportunities, exploit them, make a pile - basically business as usual. Same thing happened in the bad ole days of Uncle Dan despite the Ntimamas and Sunkulis incestant chest thumping.

But pray tell, would our country be any better off?

We've done our fair share of verbal parlaying on Mashada, Sir Mak. Insults and prejudices aside, your honest opinion, hmmm?

PS: Bout the "no fire in the bellies" remark, I'll let that one slide for now....