[lmbijiwe]

Originally Posted by tako la fisi

We hear you loud and clear; PNU guys would like what is just but ODM can't keep dangling violence as a recourse.

When ODM decided they were going for mass action, did the Commander-in-thief not curtail their freedom of association and expression in the hope that they would eventually accept his grotesque theft and illegal government? It was okay for PNU MP's to hold rallies telling people how the common thief was "duly elected and legaly sworn president" and anyone with a problem with that to "go to court" yet ODM MP's were not allowed to address their supporters under the guise of "National Security"..bull****, you and I know the truth and no amount of rhetorics or selective amnesia will change the fact that the Othaya MP is nothing more than a COMMON THIEF!.. Every man has a breaking point and when that point is reached, be prepared for the backlash, so stop pretending Kenya is an ideal demoracy where the democratic rights of the people are respected!!

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by lmbijiwe

When ODM decided they were going for mass action, did the Commander-in-thief not curtail their freedom of association and expression in the hope that they would eventually accept his grotesque theft and illegal government? It was okay for PNU MP's to hold rallies telling people how the common thief was "duly elected and legaly sworn president" and anyone with a problem with that to "go to court" yet ODM MP's were not allowed to address their supporters under the guise of "National Security"..bull****, you and I know the truth and no amount of rhetorics or selective amnesia will change the fact that the Othaya MP is nothing more than a COMMON THIEF!.. Every man has a breaking point and when that point is reached, be prepared for the backlash, so stop pretending Kenya is an ideal demoracy where the democratic rights of the people are respected!!

Call a spade a big spoon long enough and the title will stick, huh?

Domolites have this habit of liberally using the word "thief" - far as I recall no PNU constituency recorded 100% voter turn outs - that was purely an ODM prerogative!

Selective amnesia? Sounds more like full blown Alzheimer’s to me.

So, you've reached breaking point, eh? Or as your kinsmen would say, "Kambinje"? hmmm?

Go tell that to the weather!

[mak&emoto]

Originally Posted by bloggeratti

I hope this doesn't sound like an insult to you, Sir Mak. Lakini, I will put it down for you as simply as I would do for my 12 year old son.

John Githongo in his now-famous interview on BBC Hard Talk said,"

True, practical as we are, we Okuyos would move on, look for opportunities, exploit them, make a pile - basically business as usual. Same thing happened in the bad ole days of Uncle Dan despite the Ntimamas and Sunkulis incestant chest thumping.

But pray tell, would our country be any better off?

We've done our fair share of verbal parlaying on Mashada, Sir Mak. Insults and prejudices aside, your honest opinion, hmmm?

PS: Bout the "no fire in the bellies" remark, I'll let that one slide for now....

So you do agree that Raila's rule would not impoverish your folk! Why then do your folks get constipation and spew so much venom at the mere mention of his name?

On your people's so called resilience, I beg to differ, Kyuks spent most of the 24 Moi years gripping and scheming on how to depose him. It could have been done earlier, but greed and selfishness got the better of you until one Raila came along with a workable plan.

By the way, John Githongo is not the Bible!

[t_ace1994]

Finally a voice of reason. Kibaki should go and Raila should go. The country is clearly divided 50% to 50% as much as we gripe about gema solidarity the undeniable fact is they comprise a very significant proportion of our population and will always be a factor. Despite his somewhat chequered past Raila had a chance until he surrounded himself with warmongers Ntimama and Ruto. Current clashes not withstanding those of you without amnesia will remember that these same people have been in the midst of preaching violence well before 2007 and in the Y2K fiasco. Would you vote for someone advocating the killing and eviction of your community. Conversely if there are those in Kibakis government advocating the same thing they need not be in government too. So my fellow Kenyans I believe we have a leadership vacuum. Who can step up to the plate? I do not see anyone in our current crop of leaders.

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by mak&emoto

So you do agree that Raila's rule would not impoverish your folk! Why then do your folks get constipation and spew so much venom at the mere mention of his name?

On your people's so called resilience, I beg to differ, Kyuks spent most of the 24 Moi years gripping and scheming on how to depose him. It could have been done earlier, but greed and selfishness got the better of you until one Raila came along with a workable plan.

By the way, John Githongo is not the Bible!

Constipation/Venom?
Every market has its madman, every community its malcontents. Granted, my kinsmen do have a fixation on the (uncut or cut) status of the nether regions. The voice of a few is not the reflection of an entire community. Besides this tabia is replicated on both sides of the divide.

Resilience?
I meant in business. Despite the constant harrassment and harangueing by the Moi government, his 24 year rule saw a significant surge in Gema investments and business (especially from the diaspora). Basically a paradigm shift.

Greed? Selfishness?
Ain't that the hallmark of a true Kenyan Homopoliticus? And in case you didn't notice, there's a high turnover of politicians in Gema-land - you don't deliver, your out!
Very much unlike in Luo Nyanza were a nod from the political deity keeps non-performing public jesters like Otieno Kajwang in Parliament!

Raila? Workable plan?
Face it bruh. Emilio was at the right place at the right time. RAO got played, changed sides, got played yet again until he played the kissing game with his EU-SA-US backers, got a fat campaign kitty and a damn good PR and propaganda team that got him where he is today.
By the way, silly and unplausible as it was, his story about a Kibaki-Saitoti-Kenyatta succession really turned the tide on a whole community. Like I said, damn good propaganda machine.

John Githongo aint the bible.
But dude was privy to a whole lota dirt while in office. Fact is, the RAO-Ruto brigate aint as squeaky clean as they'z playing out to be. And you know the drill, absolute power corrupts absolutely, hmmm?

Any more queries, bruh?

[Wycliffe Shidede]

Originally Posted by t_ace1994

So my fellow Kenyans I believe we have a leadership vacuum. Who can step up to the plate? I do not see anyone in our current crop of leaders.

I thought we still have Kalonzo Musyoka. He will inspire the country to new heights. Have you forgotten the genius idea of 24 HOUR WORKING ECONOMY?

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by Wycliffe Shidede

I thought we still have Kalonzo Musyoka. He will inspire the country to new heights. Have you forgotten the genius idea of 24 HOUR WORKING ECONOMY?

Hahahahaha!

That's the best joke I've heard in years.

Kalonzo is just a pretty poster boy. This is the same guy who smiled at the cameras (alongside Nyiva Mwenda and some other Kililimbi clown) and denied that people were dying of hunger in his backyard.

Kalonzo? Genius? That's a good one!

[Hard Knocks]

Originally Posted by ciceraw

I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

• Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?

• Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?

• The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

This is well said...can this be sent to the dailies? it should be in the editorial.

[Smartass]

Originally Posted by ciceraw

I would resign. For the sake of the country, for the sake of salvaging some form of legacy, and here is why:

• Now, whether he rigged the elections or not, the exercise was a total farce. The ECK, which was constituted by none other than the president, presided over this mess. Where does the buck stop?

• Even with good intentions behind the Annan Accord, clearly a second Kibaki term will be one long nightmare with his powers severely curtailed. What kind of a president would sit there - i don't care how duly elected you think you are - and suffer through such usurping of authority as not have the power to name a cabinet? Isn't the frustration and clearly the sign of more to come, not a reason to resign and let the country move on?

• The post election violence. No matter who the culprit is. It happened under his watch and one of the triggers was the botching of the elections.

Kibaki should sit in the office just long enough to ensure that we have the basic institutional frameworks of handling a free and fair election which include a neutral EC and judiciary. If Kibaki participated in this exercise with the promise of stepping down for fresh elections, he would be seen as near partial entity and hopefully be able to have some arbitrating powers.

Well put, The accord cannot be implemented its an exercise in futility therefore Kibaki should consider his stay at the helm as a God sent opportunity to provide Kenyans with a constituition that would entrench and protect democratic ideals.

Every citizen should be allowed to vote and each vote should carry equal weight , meaning, that representation in parliament should reflect the demographic realities on the ground. Propotional representation should be entrenched in the constituition
(currently we have a section of the population carrying 20% of the seats in parliament yet they constitute only 11% of the population)

In order to win an election the presidential candidate must carry at least 30% of every province in Kenya, this will ensure that the candidate appeals to all kenyans and put an end to the use of ethnic animosity as a political tool/weapon. This would get rid of extremeist on both sides of the aisle

In the event of ethnic cleansing the individuals involved should be permanently barred from holding public office and the communities involved should be forced to pay restituition to the victims. Once people realise that they communally and individually liable for their actions they will think twice before taking up arms at the behest of the political elite.

Tribal hatred should be made a treasonable offense and any caught in the act should be hanged, period

Quite frankly Kenya needs new leadership but I am afraid we are talking to the wind the political elite will do what they now best, carve out Kenya into little political fiefdoms and to hell with kenyans.