[hussein296]

Originally Posted by coffee2008

Change of attitude is a must. Kikuyus need to see other Kenyans as equals otherwise Kazi (ya machetes and arrows) itaendelea.

that is not a progress at all.Killing with pangas and arrows is one reason everyone wanted these issue resolved, It return to stone age. Kikuyu's have only themselves to blame cause if they behave as good citizens the forces of darkness would never show up in first place. unite or perish.

[Senator76]

Since independence we Kikuyus have done more harm than good to Kenya. Immediately after the British left Oginga Odinga was so magnimous that he gave Kenyatta the Presidency on a silver platter. He was a nationalist who believed in Kenya very strongly and wasnt a tribalist at all but Kenyatta was a great tribalist and till today history has refused to honor him. He planted the seeds of tribalism and assassinated many Luos plus one Kikuyus JM Kariuki who championed the cause of the poor. He killed Tom Mboya..Pio Gama Pinto..Jean Seroney..Argwings Kodhek...JM Kariuki..Ronald Ngala..and and Bildad Kaggia very poor..exiled Kungu Karumba..all these people were in the forefront in fighting for independence..and we Kikuyus thought that it was okay and other tribes were foolish and didnt notice what we did.

We then got all the plum jobs from Kenyatta and all the scholarships to go abroad..and all the contracts..in government..then most of us became big time thieves and we robbed major banks without being apprehended..we then built large buildings in nairobi and invested stolen money in the private sector..there was no hardworking at this time and all these gave us a foundation where today we brag of hardworking..Kenyatta then moved large population of Kikuyus into riftvalley..for we always said that Kalenjins were foolish and we took their land and settled..this policy has come back to haunt us very badly in 2007...violence and death...

When Kenyatta died..we want the Presidency again very badly..selfishness and greediness did not leave us alone..remember the Change the Constitution group of Kariuki Chotara and Kihika Kimani..but Njonjo too wanted power another Kikuyu..In our confusion fighting for power..Moi was installed as a stop gap before we get a Kikuyu there..but he stuck and our plan was destroyed by chance..Our greediness did not help us that time.We fought Moi and called him a passing cloud..but he ruled for 24 years.In 1992 we Kikuyus wanted back the Presidency very badly for to us no one could be the president but us.Both Matiba and Kibaki went into the race and Moi won..We always believed that Matiba was robbed the presidency..

In 1997 again we sent Kibaki but he lost to Moi and protested.We still believed that Kenyans wanted a Kikuyu president.In 2002 by a stroke of luck..Kibaki was supported by all major tribes and he won the presidency but we still sent Uhuru too.We wanted the presidency very badly.We got it but our dishonesty and greediness soon took shape and Kibaki refused blatantly to honor the MoU that he signed in broad-daylight..he too disbanded the Summit that helped him win the presidency in 2002.Kikuyus told him that we have gotten the cow and now we must milk it thoroughly..we started practicing tribalism in its highest level..all appointments were give to Kikuyus both in government and parastatals..we kikuynized the economy..we kikuynized the public service and we kikuyunized the private sector..meanwhile peace loving Kenyans were watching...

We didnt care for we knew that we shall buy them with money and they will support us..we bought Kombo..Kituyi..Mungatana..Mwakwere..Nyachae..and many others..but going into the election in 2007 we knew that we had no support that could win us the presidency..it was Kenyans versus Central..and we knew we were headed for a loss..but we hatched a plan to rig the elections and we rigged..but Kenyans this time refused our greediness and selfishness and they were determined to make sure that democracy prevailed..In our private lives we knew that Kibaki rigged..any reasonable person knew that..but in public we insisted that he won..we are hypocrites..we kikuyus..we are geedy..and we are selfish..we have helped destroy Kenya.and we need to apologize to all Kenyans..

Today our future in this country is very bleak because of ourselves and our greediness..never wanting to share..and always going around the law..recently Uhuru Kenyatta changed 100 names of councillors nominated by their parties..thats how we are..always stealing..We Kikuyus must change our attitudes and we must stop being greedy and selfish..we must know that Kenya has 42 ethnic groups..today no ethnic group will ever vote for a Kikuyus and our future is really bleak..thats why Kibaki fears an election..and all Kikuyus fear any election nationwide..we are today looked at very negatively by all including Luhyas..Kalenjins..Luos..Maasais..Coastals..we are almost done but we cant even see that..we are still yapping and calling others names..when will we learn Kikuyus?????

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by hussein296

that is not a progress at all.Killing with pangas and arrows is one reason everyone wanted these issue resolved, It return to stone age. Kikuyu's have only themselves to blame cause if they behave as good citizens the forces of darkness would never show up in first place. unite or perish.

Ironically, Hussein, jamaas like you and your compadre Kaleo2, are a liability to Kenya as a whole with your moral high ground as your undoing.

For your information, the dominant tribes in the post-election fiasco are all guilty of, as you put it, "killing with pangas and arrows". If I remember well, your Muslem bruhs down in Mombasa held a demonstration in support of Osama bin Laden when he bombed out the twin towers, hailing him as a hero - FOR SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD.

If anything, the Kikuyu have integrated themselves well in the Kenyan society. However their success, numbers and wealth proves to be their undoing. Their constant eviction from Coast and Rift Valley kinda tells you who exactly is living in the stoneage, innit?

Wake up, dude. Instead of looking for a popular scapegoat (the kikuyu), prove your dedication by welcoming Kikuyus who've settled in the diaspora with open arms.

[MachoMan12]

Some is working overtime on the kikuyu-luo issue. Why?

[hussein296]

Originally Posted by bloggeratti

Ironically, Hussein, jamaas like you and your compadre Kaleo2, are a liability to Kenya as a whole with your moral high ground as your undoing.

For your information, the dominant tribes in the post-election fiasco are all guilty of, as you put it, "killing with pangas and arrows". If I remember well, your Muslem bruhs down in Mombasa held a demonstration in support of Osama bin Laden when he bombed out the twin towers, hailing him as a hero - FOR SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD.

If anything, the Kikuyu have integrated themselves well in the Kenyan society. However their success, numbers and wealth proves to be their undoing. Their constant eviction from Coast and Rift Valley kinda tells you who exactly is living in the stoneage, innit?

Wake up, dude. Instead of looking for a popular scapegoat (the kikuyu), prove your dedication by welcoming Kikuyus who've settled in the diaspora with open arms.

well wewe kweli you are only seeing issues from one dimension.Muslims like christians can do evil but religions is not be blamed but people.You may have someone who go to church yet he practise evil deeds so are muslims. Muslims have contributed greatly to kenya more than kikuyu's have ever done in 45 years of independence.Unless you accept these reality you are lying to yourselves. Also not all kikuyu's are to be blamed but majority have choosen to be with thieves et kibaki and mt kenya mafia.

kenya has changed forever people are goner stand up for their right come rain and shine.

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by Senator76

Since independence we Kikuyus have done more harm than good to Kenya. Immediately after the British left Oginga Odinga was so magnimous that he gave Kenyatta the Presidency on a silver platter. He was a nationalist who believed in Kenya very strongly and wasnt a tribalist at all but Kenyatta was a great tribalist and till today history has refused to honor him. He planted the seeds of tribalism and assassinated many Luos plus one Kikuyus JM Kariuki who championed the cause of the poor. He killed Tom Mboya..Pio Gama Pinto..Jean Seroney..Argwings Kodhek...JM Kariuki..Ronald Ngala..and and Bildad Kaggia very poor..exiled Kungu Karumba..all these people were in the forefront in fighting for independence..and we Kikuyus thought that it was okay and other tribes were foolish and didnt notice what we did.

We then got all the plum jobs from Kenyatta and all the scholarships to go abroad..and all the contracts..in government..then most of us became big time thieves and we robbed major banks without being apprehended..we then built large buildings in nairobi and invested stolen money in the private sector..there was no hardworking at this time and all these gave us a foundation where today we brag of hardworking..Kenyatta then moved large population of Kikuyus into riftvalley..for we always said that Kalenjins were foolish and we took their land and settled..this policy has come back to haunt us very badly in 2007...violence and death...

When Kenyatta died..we want the Presidency again very badly..selfishness and greediness did not leave us alone..remember the Change the Constitution group of Kariuki Chotara and Kihika Kimani..but Njonjo too wanted power another Kikuyu..In our confusion fighting for power..Moi was installed as a stop gap before we get a Kikuyu there..but he stuck and our plan was destroyed by chance..Our greediness did not help us that time.We fought Moi and called him a passing cloud..but he ruled for 24 years.In 1992 we Kikuyus wanted back the Presidency very badly for to us no one could be the president but us.Both Matiba and Kibaki went into the race and Moi won..We always believed that Matiba was robbed the presidency..

In 1997 again we sent Kibaki but he lost to Moi and protested.We still believed that Kenyans wanted a Kikuyu president.In 2002 by a stroke of luck..Kibaki was supported by all major tribes and he won the presidency but we still sent Uhuru too.We wanted the presidency very badly.We got it but our dishonesty and greediness soon took shape and Kibaki refused blatantly to honor the MoU that he signed in broad-daylight..he too disbanded the Summit that helped him win the presidency in 2002.Kikuyus told him that we have gotten the cow and now we must milk it thoroughly..we started practicing tribalism in its highest level..all appointments were give to Kikuyus both in government and parastatals..we kikuynized the economy..we kikuynized the public service and we kikuyunized the private sector..meanwhile peace loving Kenyans were watching...

We didnt care for we knew that we shall buy them with money and they will support us..we bought Kombo..Kituyi..Mungatana..Mwakwere..Nyachae..and many others..but going into the election in 2007 we knew that we had no support that could win us the presidency..it was Kenyans versus Central..and we knew we were headed for a loss..but we hatched a plan to rig the elections and we rigged..but Kenyans this time refused our greediness and selfishness and they were determined to make sure that democracy prevailed..In our private lives we knew that Kibaki rigged..any reasonable person knew that..but in public we insisted that he won..we are hypocrites..we kikuyus..we are geedy..and we are selfish..we have helped destroy Kenya.and we need to apologize to all Kenyans..

Today our future in this country is very bleak because of ourselves and our greediness..never wanting to share..and always going around the law..recently Uhuru Kenyatta changed 100 names of councillors nominated by their parties..thats how we are..always stealing..We Kikuyus must change our attitudes and we must stop being greedy and selfish..we must know that Kenya has 42 ethnic groups..today no ethnic group will ever vote for a Kikuyus and our future is really bleak..thats why Kibaki fears an election..and all Kikuyus fear any election nationwide..we are today looked at very negatively by all including Luhyas..Kalenjins..Luos..Maasais..Coastals..we are almost done but we cant even see that..we are still yapping and calling others names..when will we learn Kikuyus?????

What a narrow-minded, misinformed adulteration of Kenyan history.
Dude, you obviously need a mind job. Or a thorough re-education in events passed.

TRUE,
Kenyatta did give us the upper hand. An unfair advantage that we've had since independence. But remember, we bore the brunt of our resistance to the colonialists. Most other communities were falling over themselves licking the boots of Gordon Browns ancestors! How come Moi's Rift Valley kinsmen, despite a 24 year advantage, still don't have the upper hand? Duh?

TRUE,
The change-the-constitution movement in the dying years of Kenyatta's government played some nasty constitutional gymnastics that were to favour GEMA in particular. Politics, my dear boy, is game of power, and a dirty one at that. Shafting your erstwhile partner is the order of the day. MOU, Change-the-constitution.... its all part of the drama. So, do not pin it all on the Kikuyu - other communities too, got their share of dirt.

As for your misrepresentations of the events preceding the 2007 elections, God help you!

All ODM had was a well oiled PR machine. Most Kenyans don't read between the lines and will take crap for good news if its handed to them on a silver platter. Thus, imbecilic theories like the Kibaki-Saitoti-Uhuru succession plan were taken at face value and further fueled ethnic animosities.

I'm not covering up for the mistakes of Kikuyu leaders passed. All I'm saying is I will not stand by and watch an entire community (MY COMMUNITY) cut to pieces as the choice scapegoat for the sins of the entire country. You, my dear boy, also need to take a rain check.

[bloggeratti]

Originally Posted by hussein296

well wewe kweli you are only seeing issues from one dimension.muslims like christians can do evil but religions is not be blamed but people.you may have someone who go to church yet he practise evil deeds so are muslims. Muslims have contributed greatly to kenya more than kikuyu's have ever done in 45 years of independence.unless you accept these reality you are lying to yourselves. Also not all kikuyu's are to be blamed but majority have choosen to be with thieves et kibaki and mt kenya mafia. Kenya has changed forever people are goner stand up for their right come rain and shine.

one dimension? tch, tch! hussein, mkenya mwenzangu.....

muslims like christians can do evil but religions is not be blamed but people.you may have someone who go to church yet he practise evil deeds so are muslims

true, but you don't see christians parading in the streets idolising a mass murderer like osama, innit?

muslims have contributed greatly to kenya more than kikuyu's have ever done in 45 years of independence

really? please enumerate those contributions. Was it the time when your arab ancestors carted off my ancestors in slave ships a coupla hundred years ago? duh!

kenya has changed forever people are goner stand up for their right come rain and shine

hahahahaa! like i've said before, it must be fun being a politician, especially an odm legislator. With supporters like you, who needs slaves! change? bruh, i saw the same smiley, huggey faces during ippg. I saw the same smiley, huggey faces during the first multi-party rally at kamkunji - back then, i was willingly clobbered for "bringing change." boy, have i gotten wiser with years passed. With simpletons like you for subjects, politicians will continue running circles around us, telling us what we want to hear (maisha bora, ugatuzi, crap like that), then proceed to shaft us like they always do. As much as i voted for kibaki, i'm a realist. I know he doesn't care two bits about my welfare. But at least he doesn't go around masquerading as an agent of change. Celebrate now, while you can. Wait for more taxes, higher prices - with a bloated government that's what's bound to happen. Then we'll see if you're still a firm believer in maisha bora.

[mpendadoggy]

senator76 your analysis is quite sincere,i dont think people are jealous r against kiuks they are against their arrogance and their false sense of superiority complex.wherever kiuks are especially in diaspora they automatically isolate themselves,they refer to the rest as sleeping.this attitude has to change,if not they will be isolated even further.hope they have learnt something after all this fracas

[Mrs Obama]

Originally Posted by pragmatic

There is a lot of jealousy and hatred in here but one thing that gives me hope is thatmost kyuks will keep on doing their thing as any other "normal" kenyan as you spew hatred in here ama wherever you are. Jealous to the core, reduce on it coz it is lethal my brother.

Eti jealous of kyuks ---why would I be jealous of a thief when I have more I.Q and integrity than he has in his toe. Listen....its not jealousy ...mimi najilisha...but sitaki mwizi anikalie kichwa eti aniambie kura yangu haina maana...tabia mbaya ya kuiba itaisha...the whole world is watching.

[hussein296]

Originally Posted by bloggeratti

one dimension? tch, tch! hussein, mkenya mwenzangu..... true, but you don't see christians parading in the streets idolising a mass murderer like osama, innit? really? please enumerate those contributions. Was it the time when your arab ancestors carted off my ancestors in slave ships a coupla hundred years ago? duh! hahahahaa! like i've said before, it must be fun being a politician, especially an odm legislator. With supporters like you, who needs slaves! change? bruh, i saw the same smiley, huggey faces during ippg. I saw the same smiley, huggey faces during the first multi-party rally at kamkunji - back then, i was willingly clobbered for "bringing change." boy, have i gotten wiser with years passed. With simpletons like you for subjects, politicians will continue running circles around us, telling us what we want to hear (maisha bora, ugatuzi, crap like that), then proceed to shaft us like they always do. As much as i voted for kibaki, i'm a realist. I know he doesn't care two bits about my welfare. But at least he doesn't go around masquerading as an agent of change. Celebrate now, while you can. Wait for more taxes, higher prices - with a bloated government that's what's bound to happen. Then we'll see if you're still a firm believer in maisha bora.

Brother

let be honest with each other.Muslims and bin or anyone who is muslim today is victim of bush crazy and weird paranoia.Ati people dancing in street to celebrate for what ? Look if you go to usa today no man or woman can enter abortion clinics without one either being killed,letter bomb or other means.But you would not find me for one second spreading false concept that all our fellow christians brothers are killers. So please note the term ' generalizing' Relgion of islam has suffered in extreme sense.Before you go any further ask yourself since when when was wiping out millions of iraqis in illegal war okay but killing few yankees was a trigger for false war that would actually lead to global nuclear war.That right injustices has strange way of manifesting just ask kibaki and he wold gladly tell you. Muslims have contributed so much to mankind yet to declare war against on basis of few people who are hell bent on power is false and void. Islam is not enemy of kenya and has never been, so please find what is problem of kenya and address it. We in odm know kenya problem it a mafia of elite few born and bread in central province. Who are using our fellow brothers sufferings to hoodwink us. Also where is all these anti arabs coming from? do they preach these in your church? or is it western ideas brainwashing you into their divide and rule.Arabs can just cut turn off oil to kenya full stop and see we would return to stone age but the don't why ? so please ndugu cut racism out it very unafrican and wrong.