White Like Me

[ndovu]

Originally Posted by PrivatePractice

OMG, you joined here in 1999 Are you a friend to MUK???
Tell us some mashada history, old memories....

LMAO! I will save those for another thread!

For now all eyes on Tim Wise!

[ndovu]

Tim Wise has often said his ability to challenge the institution of racism as a white man is yet another indicator of white privilege. He draws much of his inspiration from black activists as James Baldwin.

But what you (and others like yourself) fail to see is the depth to which Mr Wise and other white anti-racists can probe the very racist thinking of white people. 99% of the time White people will completely deny if not downplay their racism in the midst of non-whites.

So 90% of white doctors have admitted to not providing full diagnostics to black patients (who had equal if not better insurance than their white counterparts). As a result 75,000 blacks die every year! They believe that blacks are lazy and will not follow up on their regimens and hence are not serious enough about their health.

In yet another study white cops(and unfortunately some black cops as well) said whenever they encounter young black males in luxury vehicles they presume they were drug dealers, however they presume white males to be 'spoiled' kids.

[judo chop]

i just ordered it from Amazon, it looks like a very interesting and educational read....i love books.

thanks for this.

[Raj Patel]

Originally Posted by ndovu

Tim Wise has often said his ability to challenge the institution of racism as a white man is yet another indicator of white privilege. He draws much of his inspiration from black activists as James Baldwin.

But what you (and others like yourself) fail to see is the depth to which Mr Wise and other white anti-racists can probe the very racist thinking of white people. 99% of the time White people will completely deny if not downplay their racism in the midst of non-whites.

So 90% of white doctors have admitted to not providing full diagnostics to black patients (who had equal if not better insurance than their white counterparts). As a result 75,000 blacks die every year! They believe that blacks are lazy and will not follow up on their regimens and hence are not serious enough about their health.

In yet another study white cops(and unfortunately some black cops as well) said whenever they encounter young black males in luxury vehicles they presume they were drug dealers, however they presume white males to be 'spoiled' kids.

I find Black-on-White racism to be just as bad. In the west, Whites are more likely to be murdered by Blacks than vice versa. Whites are more likely to be raped by Blacks than vice versa. In South Africa, Blacks are commiting genocide against Whites. See link below. So why is White-on-Black racism a bigger deal than Black-on-White racism?

http://www.zasucks.com/

[ndovu]

Originally Posted by judo chop

i just ordered it from Amazon, it looks like a very interesting and educational read....i love books.

thanks for this.

You are welcome.

[al-zalzalah]

Originally Posted by Elianto

Privilege, according to Wise, amounts to almost every experience that a white person has within their life.
I cannot believe I've spent my life admonishing my black brethren and non-whites in general, believing that we were on a level playing field with Caucasians!

granted, there is such a thing as white privilege. but there is no way that somebody can convince me that uhuru kenyatta has had a more difficult life than some white kid in west virginia who was born to a welfare family and whose parents are both alcoholics.

there are black folk born with a silver spoon in their mouths. and there are white folk who don't enjoy this thing called white privilege, don't have jobs or medical insurance, are living in tents/ carton houses in some american rural zone as we speak.

[PrivatePractice]

Originally Posted by al-zalzalah

granted, there is such a thing as white privilege. but there is no way that somebody can convince me that uhuru kenyatta has had a more difficult life than some white kid in west virginia who was born to a welfare family and whose parents are both alcoholics.

there are black folk born with a silver spoon in their mouths. and there are white folk who don't enjoy this thing called white privilege, don't have jobs or medical insurance, are living in tents/ carton houses in some american rural zone as we speak.

Do you think the white privilege list holds true for Kenya or it is geared towards America or predominantly white countries?

I first learned of this list in college and can say it holds true for America. But I remember Ester posted it here and looked at the list again (thinking of Kenya)and a lot of the stuff doesn't fit.

So I don't have to repost it, this is the list, I will refer to the old post already posted:
White privilege .... read on!!

For example, "I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time," wouldn't this NOT hold true in Kenya as the country is predominantly black country.

[ndovu]

*smh*

Once again a smart individual as yourself degrades themselves by commenting before reading the book.

To understand racial privilege you need to compare similar classes of individuals against their races. i.e Kenyatta must be compared with a wealthy white individual and blacks in poverty with whites in poverty.

Trust me Oprah will wait at the back of the line should Martha Stewart or Carly Fiorina come knocking at the bank!!



BTW,(There's a chapter in the book about Oprah..lol)

[PrivatePractice]

Originally Posted by ndovu

Tim Wise has often said his ability to challenge the institution of racism as a white man is yet another indicator of white privilege. He draws much of his inspiration from black activists as James Baldwin.

But what you (and others like yourself) fail to see is the depth to which Mr Wise and other white anti-racists can probe the very racist thinking of white people. 99% of the time White people will completely deny if not downplay their racism in the midst of non-whites.

So 90% of white doctors have admitted to not providing full diagnostics to black patients (who had equal if not better insurance than their white counterparts). As a result 75,000 blacks die every year! They believe that blacks are lazy and will not follow up on their regimens and hence are not serious enough about their health.

In yet another study white cops(and unfortunately some black cops as well) said whenever they encounter young black males in luxury vehicles they presume they were drug dealers, however they presume white males to be 'spoiled' kids.

When I first became interested in race relations and taking classes, I first felt that I had to defend myself. I thought they were pointing the finger at me directly. Until one can consciously become aware that they are not talking about "me" directly, that is when you can honestly take a look at the reality of it and see it is true. But our natural instincts tell us to defend ourself.

Even in here depending on how someone comes at me regarding race / nationality depends on how I react and answer. I understand that racism does exist, but it is also important to realize not all whites are racist.

And that is true about another white person will say thing to me being white that they will never say to a black person. You should even hear the reaction I get from medical staff about coming to Kenya. When I inquired about shots, I had a nurse say to me "why are you going there and that I am crazy to go to Africa." If only you could have seen the look on her face at the disgust of me going to Africa.

[PrivatePractice]

Originally Posted by ndovu

*smh*

Once again a smart individual as yourself degrades themselves by commenting before reading the book.

To understand racial privilege you need to compare similar classes of individuals against their races. i.e Kenyatta must be compared with a wealthy white individual and blacks in poverty with whites in poverty.

Trust me Oprah will wait at the back of the line should Martha Stewart or Carly Fiorina come knocking at the bank!!



BTW,(There's a chapter in the book about Oprah..lol)

I was directing that to al-zalah...should we start another thread for a discussion as we are derailing yours

I had one more thing to add, but will save it for another thread