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Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

Our job is to jettison this thing completely from Black mind. To destroy it utterly so that Africans can REALLY SEE THEMSELVES AGAIN.

RD, I have no problem with this stance, if that's what you want to do then go ahead. But to accomplish this jettisoning (is that an English word?) through deceitful misrepresentation is not the way to do it because once in a while you'll run into someone who'll see them and attack them.

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

Of course u should, and I believe u have adequate answers to the questions; the evidence to the plunder and looting is here for all to see. The situation Africa is in.

Nafusi, you're taking around 400 years of "Christians behaving badly" (who fyi really weren't Christians because they didn't believe in it anyway) from a tiny Western Europe and then try to say that the prior 1600 years of Christianity in Western and Eastern Europe, Asia Minor, and North Africa were similar to it. Don't you see how you're setting yourself up (whether intentionally or otherwise) to thoroughly miss the mark?

You end up missing on stories of how women Christians from Southern Egypt and Northern Ethiopia went up to eastern europe and taught them personal hygiene. You end up missing out on how people like St Patrick (the man who transformed Ireland) was heavily influenced by an African Christian wondering in the deserts of Egypt.

Now if you claim that the other 1600 years of Christianity don't matter in your 'diagnosis,' you'll end up diagnosing the wrong disease. The problem wasn't with Christianity, the problem was with the western european.

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

Can u give any proof that looting and plundering was not the sole purpose of spreading the mediterrenean folklore?

I could, but you've already told me that you don't pay attention to anything prior to 14th century.

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

But most importantly, these stories were written by the hunter, have u taken time to find the hunted's story?

Yes I have, the best one so far is Celsus' polemic against the Christians. (You're use of the terms 'hunter' and 'hunted' are loaded.) And it's interesting you ask this question, when you have declared that you don't even care.

Originally Posted by A.M Nafusi

Asking me to BELIEVE absurdity because books say so....errr..am lost or to employ a third line or alternative understanding is refusing to consider ur environment, immeadiate environment.

Nafusi, I've never asked you to convert. If I have, quote me and I'll take this statement back. All I've ever done is answer you're questions. I even remember telling you that I don't believe in preaching by word of mouth as an effective means, especially in a society that has had enough of hearing 'Jesus' all the time.

This thread was addressed to those who have talked about Christian history. You have reiterated that you don't care, and now you want others to adopt this don't-care attitude. So ironically, you're the one doing the 'evangelism.'

Originally Posted by jackofhearts

Nd, as I'm sure you perceive, I'm much more ecumenical than you, believing that many "branches" of the faith have had an overall favorable impact on civilization, whether Orthodox, Roman Catholic or Protestant (while not turning a blind eye to injustices along the way).

Me too.

Originally Posted by jackofhearts

How do you view that great African Augustine (of Hippo, not the poster here, lol)? He almost inarguably is the most influential theologian in western Christianity, both among Roman Catholics and Protestants.

And he is one person whom the East loves to attack . Personally, I think he's okay, just his ideas and writings been taken out-of-context by susbequent generations.