[Realistik Dreamer]

Hmm this is deep my friend! I feel a certain anger agains't white skin here! Anyways my bad i meant ancient greek tribes!!!!!

Good! This is an important correction (the ancient greek tribes thing). Words create & destroy-even the christian bible states that God created the universe by dint of speech.Africans are done in via evil speech from foreigners and within....

I have no anger against "white skin" per se.

What we loathe to a tee is the direct relationship between white skin and wealth/easy life at Black skins' expense.

But of course christianism (whitey hoax) asks us to love our enemies as we shalt be rewarded in white heaven!

This is pure & unadulterated hogwash.

Is it any wonder that this obviously illogical and anti-human instinct teaching backfires all the time manifested in Africans self-hating and butchering/destroying their own: MISPLACED ANGER & FRUSTRATIONS?

I don't know about the rest of "africans"(abit naive to generalise like this but...)I believe in a colourless God

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For many Africans Christans & Moslems who claim "universal love now", this is a lie. Or a little wishful thought.

Politically and socially the invaders/bringers of these slave doctrines have now "revised" their rhetoric: God hath no color bla bla bla. It suits them just fine as they still control our resources (raw, refined/manufuctered and human) and the markets (sell us flowers-we sell you machinery).

This is unacceptable.

Only when there is equal opportunity in the world market place of ideas (culture-starting with God) and material (no WTO and Gunboat/satelitte diplopmacy tricks can you as an African state with all love (a really misused word from medieval europe) that GOD IS COLORLESS.

Lets be honest as Africans and learn to think things through.

as in to me he aint black nor white and the people i worship with who are white dont believe in a white God either.

Your white "liberal" buddies can of course afford to lay you this god is colourless rhetoric: They are comfortable now and can just about say anything.

But I dare you to ask them to demand that their governments return all the billions of dollars stolen by corrupt African leaders* banked in their countries (and hence sustaining/building their countries) just to start with. I will not even mention reparations for slavery (you laugh?) or colonialism. Then you will see just how (lately?)colorless your christian deity is with your liberal one love white pals.

*There is no way the west can agree to safe house stolen cash unless they get concessions from African leaders eg unfair mining rights like in Nigeria (Ogoni land) or Gabon (Omar Bongo tin pot dictator & Francophile poodle)

I am proud to be african and know that black white red or blue, we are all the same and thats how the God I worship views it too

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I agree with you here. Apparently some people who control how things trade on this planet dont. Thats why Africans are desparately poor. Unecessary so.

This makes your statement above ring a mite hollow unless Africans do something like cleaning our brains off gunk told to us by slavers. We cant run away from this mission.

Of course they will label you a hate-filled being. But who really is hating?

My statements were in reply to this statement from Atabong...
"I grew up in a sub-Saharan African countryside where our people did not lock anything up yet nothing was ever stolen, there was never even a hint of rape, homosexuality, bestiality and all these other horrible practices brought in by European and Arab imperialists

I repeat-let us acquire a sense of proportion when talking about the ills of Africa prior to the hordes of nomads from the east and barbarians from the north (the west) comming down here with their tall tales of white deities.

The issue is always what values did they really teach us? Read your history carefully. And chronologically

There is no such thing as pure objectivity in history.Even hard sciences have occassionally been struck with "emotion" vs objectivity!

So careful whose objectives you are adhering to as you absorb the european or arab view of history. His story.

I do believe every human being is born good, innocent, pure, perfect and free."

True. The key word here is BORN GOOD.

We live in a world affected not by sweetcherubic pure babies running things but grown mostly men doing that.

Formed by their ideas of god (justifications & rationalizations)and/or sciences (social ideas-philosophy/history/economics etc)

Attitudes gathered over time is what affects us. Thank God for babies though-they remind us that perhaps there can be a world of pure innocence.

But let Africans have access to food, shelter, clothing first.

Right?

I might have misunderstood him but i thought he meant before the arabs and europeans ventured into africa there was no homosexuality, rape and stealing.....which is not true...there was!!!

as I alluded earlier-this is irrelevant to what Atabong is saying.

But just to help you a little-in ancient times even the little greeks saw "Ethiopia* as the seat of the gods", "the land of the just" Read Homer (the first western written thing in history-a tale that reflects the violence and barbarity of ancient Greece-mother of "western civilization')

Also read Heroditus-He truly admired Ethiopia this Greek fella (father of >Western< History)
*Ethiopia means burnt face/black and in ancient times meant the whole of Africa-not the contemporary country of this name.

So in a nutshell your indictment of Africa's rape & stealing is insignificant really.

And homosexuality was totally unacceptable and mostly unheard of!

This is a fact so dont let the "gay" western movement just ride your mind just like that. Of course they will say anything to make africans go down low like depraved they are!

Now look carefully at Greek & Roman History and you will see these european men (the Platos) saw women as even unworthy of being their lovers! No jive!

Ever heard of such tat & nionsense in Africa's past?

Homosexuality was widely accepted in Greece & Rome (seat of western/white civilization) and still is.

And Africans being the fools that we are are now accepting this obvious depravity because it is the "modern, liberal,civilized" thing to do.

Lets take responsibility and stop blaming the white man for every negative trait in us!

Agreed.

Whether you believe in a God or not, we are all imperfect!!!! White or black! and its no ones elses fault... Thats just how we are!

This is irrelevant. The issue is that our poverty as African is beyond reasonable bounds (taking into consideration our foibles as human beings that you state eloquently above)

There is something more here: 40+ yrs after "independence" and 140+ yrs after end of slavery and Black people are still unbearably poor. Because of our stupidity and the oppressive systems of our slavers.

Colonialism? This was slavery. Right?

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COLOR="Red"]Ohh and by your statement below I am assuming you are well accustomed with the japanese culture and forums that you know they don't debate about the vatican and a white God![/COLOR]

Sarcasm is not fitting in well here. I said this to make a point and I want to believe you are intelligent enough to have grasped it: African who have some schooling waste too much time debating platonic and judeo-christian-islamo bosh and fairy tales.

The Japanese/chinese and Indians figure out how the universe actually works: is it plasma cosmology or big bang?

How to extract, manipulate/refine/manufacture from raw materials.....

How to improve yields of foof crops, land managemnt....to feed, clothe & hse their people.

Thats what we have to do and via the Power and Grace of BLACK GOD we must do it or forever remain intellectual charlattans and vagabonds for hire and fire. Period.