[Talula]

Originally Posted by Realistik Dreamer

I very much doubt that anybody here has said that there ever was perfect harmony in All of Africa before the Europeans & Arabs came in to disrupt and destroy Africa's civilizations with their cooked up religions and slave driven/dependent economic models.

Its really strange how Africans always put Africa on a BIG trial (when filled with doubt about Africa's obvious greatness) but NEVER seem to put this same SCRUTINY on roman white jesus & desert arab Allah.

Amazing!

First off; using the word tribe to describe ancient Africa's wars vs Greek empire wars in the same breath reflects your eurocentric prism/view of things:

If we are going to use the word 'tribe" then let us also ask why the english have been having tribal wars with the Irish (Northern Ireland) filled with blood thirsty violence & brutality unimaginable.

Or lets talk about the "world wars"-a misnomer: because these wars between european tribes which bled millions of people were just that: tribal wars. Period.

Why again I ask. why do we swallow the eurocentric pretensions that their wars have a higher purpose (ideals, nationality, freedom) and philosophy and African nations' wars (not tribes ever) are just savage bloody skirmishes by primitive sub-humans?

Because at the end of the day, war is stupid and is always, always caused by greed & power-seeking.

In Europe. In Asia. In Africa. forget all the intellectual garb they will give it.

So this is the deal Talula:

We are Africans. We reserve the right to define ourselves-Our BLACK GOD, our culture, our technology and how we produce, distribute and consume our products and services i.e our economy.

We must learn to think for ourselves.

Only science and technology is useful from the europeans. We give credit where its due: They stole and continue to steal our science-then shut us down via poverty and installing on us this idea that we can just be miserable and we will go their heaven.

So lets check what the Japanese did: They did not invent the car. No shame in that. But whose car are we driving now? Whose plasma TV (trust Africans!) are we aspiring/borrowing/saving to own now?

Who is lauging all the way to the bank and building his civilization? Mr. Tokyo. Or Shanghai.

You rarely see them debating about the vatican, white jesus or Allah! So there is an inverse ratio here and we Africans are refusing to get it. Because we still believe in white heaven or worse fear whitey's made up hell (see our thread on History of the Devil)

All other "humanities" starting from their white deities to their "great" history (greece/rome/britain/america) their anthropology (you the subject-them the objective observer) their economics "science" (socialism, capitalism) is so FULL OF UTTER LIES and has made Africans helplessly foolish.

Crawlng around unable to think big for Africa.

Dependent on whitey for everything from god to nappies.

Just like a little heroin addicts

And I am talking about many African Phds, Masters', Bachelor holders...to start with.

White education is no guarantee of wisdom

What a great pity for the Motherland

I very much doubt that your grandmother meant that since Africans had wars (was this every where & everyday, year in yr out?) pre-invasion that she was happy that Africa was raped off its peoples & lands-till now?

(now this a derailment-Ndigala2 will not like!)[/QUOTE]


Hmm this is deep my friend! I feel a certain anger agains't white skin here! Anyways my bad i meant ancient greek tribes!!!!!

I don't know about the rest of "africans"(abit naive to generalise like this but...)I believe in a colourless God....as in to me he aint black nor white and the people i worship with who are white dont believe in a white God either. I am proud to be african and know that black white red or blue, we are all the same and thats how the God I worship views it too.

My statements were in reply to this statement from Atabong...
"I grew up in a sub-Saharan African countryside where our people did not lock anything up yet nothing was ever stolen, there was never even a hint of rape, homosexuality, bestiality and all these other horrible practices brought in by European and Arab imperialists

I do believe every human being is born good, innocent, pure, perfect and free."

I might have misunderstood him but i thought he meant before the arabs and europeans ventured into africa there was no homosexuality, rape and stealing.....which is not true...there was!!! Lets take responsibility and stop blaming the white man for every negative trait in us! Whether you believe in a God or not, we are all imperfect!!!! White or black! and its no ones elses fault... Thats just how we are!

Ohh and by your statement below I am assuming you are well accustomed with the japanese culture and forums that you know they don't debate about the vatican and a white God!
"So lets check what the Japanese did: They did not invent the car. No shame in that. But whose car are we driving now? Whose plasma TV (trust Africans!) are we aspiring/borrowing/saving to own now?

Who is lauging all the way to the bank and building his civilization? Mr. Tokyo. Or Shanghai.

You rarely see them debating about the vatican, white jesus or Allah! So there is an inverse ratio here and we Africans are refusing to get it. Because we still believe in white heaven or worse fear whitey's made up hell (see our thread on History of the Devil)"