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Default 05-08-2008, 01:03 PM

Grip, its your personal conviction against history. The Roman empire accused Christians of being cannibals. You know why?

Read Revelation 2-3 and also Paul's tears in Acts 20. We cant say with confidence that an organization calling itself the orthodox church is the true church of God if the identified marks given in Revelation 12 and 14 are lacking in them.

Who's disputing them and why?

Reading the version of history provided by Protestants, I get it that the fathers were influenced by state power and Greek philosophies.

To make the remnant story credible, you first have to show where the church erred.

I am convinced that allowing work on Sabbath day after Sunday was declared a public holiday in 321AD by a monarch speaks for disregarding God's laws. Or asking people to rest (if we forget about communion for a while) on a working day just to respect a pagan's day of worship, and also being in complicence with a persecuting power on a number of dogma do not speak against this church?

And you also have to explain why the remnant insists on using the canon of the pagan church. Remeber the main pillar of the reformed church is sola scriptura (Bible only).



It happens that the canonised books do not contradict the old testament. I was also amazed to read Peter's and Paul's apocalypses to see how the orthodox could have promoted their acquired doctrines about life, death, heaven, and hell; doctrines contrary to general biblical teachings about the same topics. Here, I would say that God could not allow His words to be tarnished.

[b]The ancient church met on the sabbath on the eleventh hour to usher in the Lord's day. The celebration continued the whole night in what is commonly called an all-night vigil, and was completed in the morning by Communion.
There's an interesting article about it here
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This is an interesting twist. This picture does not sound as the mood recorded in Acts 16. That chapter sounds to have occurred very early in the day even, maybe, before lunch time. Anyway, secular history records strict Sabbath keeping by the apostolic church.

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Tafadhali rephrase.


The sacrament administered by the catholic church is circular, white, and dipped in wine. This resembles some early pagan communion very different from what we see in the Lord's supper setting. What is the orthodox's resemblance?

Again, you have to show why it's wrong. Not because you personally disagree with it.

Because the dead die and become unconscious. And Old Testament has strong warnings against honouring the dead. Remember no one was to do any ritual activities, not even shaving or cutting part of the hair, for the sake of the dead. Read Isaiah 8 which has a better insight.

So Grip, where do you go to find the rest of God's given messages?

God's messages are many and no one will ever access all. What I know is that His standards to weigh any messages that may come by are outlined in the "law and the testimony, if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them". Isaiah 8:20.
 


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