[Coach]

teejay,

>This is how. Abraham never married Hagar as a second wife but
>went in her and conceived a child after the advice of her wife
>Sarah. Do no justify polygamy because it is embedded within
>the pillars of the traditions of your religion. It is simply a
>ploy for men to carry out their lustrous ambitions. It is true
>Children must be loved like you say but then When Ishmael is
>sent away Isaac remains the only child in that sense why do
>you want make complicated yet it is simple reading that
>2(Ishmael & Isaac)-1(Ishmael)=1(Isaac)

Teejay my friend, I will teach you a bit about your own faith. Believe me, I don't say this with haughtiness. You said Abraham never married hagar as a second wife, well, the Bible says otehrwise...

"And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife." GENESIS 16:3

Polygamy is also common and mentionned a lot in the Bible and is not something peculiar only to Islam as you have assumed. I will show you many instances where great men mentionned in the Bible had more than one wife and the practise of polygamy was allowed and its rules were laid down...


- If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. EXODUS 21:10

- And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David. 2 SAMUEL 5:13

- David had SIX wives and numerous concubines. 1 CHRONICLES 3:1-9

- If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons.... DEUTRONOMY 21:15



>You say it well that if a man has two wives, but Abraham had
>one wife Sarah the other woman (Hagar) is a servant and the
>bible clearly refers to her as so. She never became Abrahams’s
>wife.

Even though you feel uncomfortable with polygamy, the Bible does call Hagar a "WIFE", here...

"And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife." GENESIS 16:3


You might not like the idea but it is said in the Bible.



>You have very well quoted the book of Deuteronomy neatly.
>Remember this culture you are talking about in Deut several
>hundred years later and rules are erected to govern that
>society that applies to that period. These people had been in
>Egypt and had copied unisraelite habits. They do not apply in
>Abraham’s time. Reading further God is telling Abraham not to
>worry about Ishmael for he will bless him too, but he is not
>the one that he is going to make a covenant with.

As I told TM above, the Bible says that Abraham was 99 when the covenant was made and Ismhael was 13. It also says that Isaac was born to Abraham when he was 100 years old. Why are you avoiding these facts?




>Not at all Coach. I do believe that God created one woman for
>one man and the fact that men feel comfortable to pile the
>women behind them in polygamous settings does not make it
>right and will not. It lust that plays it victorious role in
>driving these unresisting creature to do so.

God did not make ONE WOMAN FOR ONE MAN as you claim because the NT, Matthew 22:23-32 tells us that a man should marry the widow of his brother. This surely goes against what you are propagating here teejay.


>You people baffle me. Do you mean to say that if it is written
>that teejay was married to many a woman in the scriptures then
>that licenses all persons to say it acceptable. These things
>are written so that we can learn from them. In them there are
>valuable lessons.

You are now saying something that contadicts the whole purpose of scripture. Holy men like Abraham, Moses, Jesus PBUT were exceptional men whose characters people should try to emulate. If you don't follow their actions, what then are you learning from teh scriptures? Please do tell me. If Abraham is good enough to have two wives, why isn't teejay?





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