[milanya]

One argument I've heard is that God has predestined all things temporal; but not things that are eternal.

For some reason the free will argument leads into the theory of a clockmaker God. Did Gid set all things in place and that sit back and watch the reactions and consequences?

It is interesting how whenever you try and argue something out on mashada people go and attack YOU as a person instead of the points of your argument.

Also, I think it is ridiculuous to yell at people for quoting a source for an argument. That is how scholars do it, you research and then from your reseacrh you base your arguments. People don't complain when someone cites the bible, but as soon as you use an outside source it's wololololol? This is where Christians fail to reach other people, instead of trying to understand where they are coming from, you shove a bible that they don't believe in into their faces. First, you dissect why whatever they believe in is wrong; then you acquaint them with the bible.

Nobody has made any comments about the verses I quoted from the bible that have to do with predestination. So yes, Kemi, I do read the bible. I'm just playing the Devil's advocate.