[Coach]

satjak,

>>When
>>the cells in your body degenerate, your spirit is no longer
>>able to stay in its vessel and it eventually leaves and goes
>>back to God.
>
>hey how about the judgement? what happened to that? is this
>like reincarnation, kind of??

You were made from a union of the sperm and egg, do you think it is impossible for God to recreate you on the Day of Reckonning?



>>When someone is killed in a car-crash and the
>>body cannot sustain the spirit, it also leaves this earthly
>>life to be reunited with God. So God does kill and God does
>>give life, earthly life that is!
>
>so if i am driving my car and knock into somebody else i can
>claim that the person died in a car crash in which God was a
>participant, and in fact that it was God who killed that
>person and not my reckless driving. COOL, i am beginning to
>like islam!!!!!!

God gives life and takes life and although you were involved in ending that particular persons life doesn't mean you are free from blame. The body is where the soul resides and for the soul to function in a body it needs to function minimally. If the corporeal ceases to be bale to sustain the soul the spirit eventually leaves the body and goes to its maker.



>>Alas, I thought you were adressing the issue at hand and not
>>fishing out for another argument. You should have informed
>me
>>since your response seemed so incoherent with my question.
>
>it will seem incoherent to you because there are TOO Many
>issues with islam and covering all of them is very difficult
>for you. What is more they are all interrelated.....now some
>guy in india was told he must divorce his wife because he said
>talak 3 times in his sleep....i mean HOW STUPID can one be????
>This ideology defies all logic.

This has solely to do with your inability to conduct a civilised discussion. You are unable to exhaust a topic but instead jumps around to anotehr topic only to come back to it later in another post. You want to know the rules of "Talaq"? Go read, do a google and you will know what is said about giving three 'talaq'. But I guess it gives the impression to other readers that you haev a valid point if you sneak it in in the middle of another discussion.



>>You are consistently illogical for someone who is constantly
>>trying to appeal to people's logic!
>
>Coach, i think perhaps that is what you are trying so very
>hard with your Mr. I LOOk GooD And POlite talks. I do not need
>to appeal to anyone's logic. I have no need to uphold the
>truth when the truth stands out for itself. I HAVE ALWAYS GOT
>ALL QUOTES FROM YOUR KOOOORAN AND YOU CANNOT STAND
>THIS!!!!!!!!! That is why is seems illogical to you since you
>cannot understand why i can't see it from your perspective.

What quotes and who is talking about quotes? Only you are. I'm talking about your conduct as a human being using this media, and since you can't tackle it it is easy to run to these "quotes" you keep talking about and press the letter 'o' a few extra times hoping to mock a bit more in the process. I'm starting to understand how you fucntion, it is easier dealing with you now because I used to waste a lot of time trying to discuss in a civil manner. Grow a brain and learn to discuss.


>> If parents raise their
>>children well and teach them right from wrong, and then some
>>of these children choose to go against the teachings of
>their
>>parents, do you still blame the parents?
>
>Think carefully, if the parents taught them well and the
>children understood what was taught then they would not go
>against those teachings. The fact that they do simply means
>that they did not understand in the first place. So both
>parties have an equal role to play. But what do i know, i am
>illogical!!!???!!?

Yes you are illogical and using sophistry to avoid conceding an error will not help.



>
>>Cartoon issue again? Didn't you see the verse...
>>
>>"Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder
>or
>>of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the
>>whole of mankind." (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)
>
>It is now becoming a joke that you come up with a verse from
>the koooooran and when i bring up another one liner from the
>same kooooran you object and say i am illogical.
>
>16:106 Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him
>who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with
>the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is
>wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. Those who
>loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's
>wrath is upon them.


Do you have dyslexia or neglect? Where do you see taht they should be put to death by human beings? They will be punished for their disbelief, BY GOD!


>16:107 That is because they have chosen the life of the world
>rather than the Hereafter, and because Allah guideth not the
>disbelieving folk.


You evidently don't grasp a thing I'm saying :)



>>Do you believe their actions are legitimised by Islam?
>Please
>>show me where it says kill whomsoever annoys or offends your
>>Prophet.
>
>25:36 Then We said: Go together unto the folk who have denied
>Our revelations. Then We destroyed them, a complete
>destruction. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be
>destroyed.

EARTH TO SATJAS...BY GOD IN THE HEREAFTER!



>if you guys know who these extremists are in your midst why
>don't you try and conbtrol them and educate them first before
>coming to tell us what to do?

Are you living in pre-westphalia times? It is the job of authorites to deal with any elements in society that do not conform. And the spiritual leaders are doing their part, but enforcing the laws are done by the state. These are small groups but I guess it helps you in your argument to try and paint this as a mainstream problem, whatever floats your boat.


The house of cards will come
>crumbling down, the world is waking up to a new menace of
>terrorism which seems to stem from religious notions. That is
>something i will not want the future generations to suffer
>from.

A million children die of malaria a year in Africa, millions die each day in the world because of lack of water and basic healthcare. 85% of the world lives on undera dollar a day and cannot afford basic things like water electricty and decent healthcare, but you are obsessed with terrorism. That is the language of the rich countries in teh west, terrorism is highest on theri agenda but monetary equality for everyone is highest on the agenda of those who really care.


You cannot see that because you are so warped up in the
>goodness of your ideology. You dare not hear what atrocities
>have been committed by people in the name of the same allah
>that you believe in. It is like a nightmare you want to go
>away.

Over six million people have died in Congo the last seven years, do you even care? Or are you just preoccupied with terrorism conducted by some deranged individuals in teh west?


So you blame others all the time, you claim
>islamophobia, you think others have not understood what you
>know, you think you are the sole representative of islam on
>this message board. I don't blame you, its the side effects of
>attending too many madarasa classes. You cannot see that,... I
>can.

I don't blame you either, you are a victim of a system that is made to blame Islam (and not a few disenfranchised Muslims) for all atrocties in teh world.


>Despite the fact that a major national and international news
>agencies have reported the Rahman Abdul apostacy case you
>still went ahead to try and proove that this kind of thing
>does not happen. It's almost like slapping millions of
>afghanis in their face,your fellow muslim brothers and
>sisters, as if they have no clue what they are talking about
>when they demand the guys blood. DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM
>HERE???????

I see a problem but it is not the problem you see. I see that America invaded Afghansitan to remove the despotic Taliban but still left the country in a worse of situation than they found it (PS: Opium is also flowing now that the Taliban are out)


so if you are right and they are wrong, what part
>of the koooooran are they reading that you are not or vice
>versa, because they too claim it's a kooranic decree????????

You show me a verse of teh Qur'an taht says apostates should be tried and killed and then we will continue with discussion. Until then, put a lid it!


>Coach in this age of information do not be surprised if your
>children see the light and turn away from your beliefs. People
>have many questions that religions cannot satisfy.

Faith is a matter of choice, if my children choose to believe in God then that would be great. If they don't then it is their loss. There is no compulsion in religion!


Your
>religion ahs the most descrepancies and hence uses violence
>and fear to intimidate people and control them.

I can see taht you are using teh smae langauge as the extremists, maybe you have more in common with them.


I feel sorry
>for you sometimes as a human being because you can see but are
>still very ignorant.

The feeling is mutual, a donkey that is carrying a load of books is still a donkey.


>I have no problem in you thinking whatever you want of me. If
>these forums could last for years you will realize what i
>meant. At the moment you are not ready, so like the bluefly we
>leave you where you like most. I may not believe in what you
>do, but i sure as hell know it will not take you anywhere.

Well these forums will be there for you to see in the hereafter it will be evident that you chose to disbelieve. I will be there with you in spirit, not to have a last laugh but to feel taht you refused to see the light although it was glaring in your face.




"A man's behavior is the index of the man, and his speech is the index of his understanding." Ali ibn Abu Talib (RAA)