[satjas]

Hey coach

>God gives life and God takes life, didn't you know that?

hmm....no i didn't know that, silly me.

>When
>the cells in your body degenerate, your spirit is no longer
>able to stay in its vessel and it eventually leaves and goes
>back to God.

hey how about the judgement? what happened to that? is this like reincarnation, kind of??

>When someone is killed in a car-crash and the
>body cannot sustain the spirit, it also leaves this earthly
>life to be reunited with God. So God does kill and God does
>give life, earthly life that is!

so if i am driving my car and knock into somebody else i can claim that the person died in a car crash in which God was a participant, and in fact that it was God who killed that person and not my reckless driving. COOL, i am beginning to like islam!!!!!!

>Alas, I thought you were adressing the issue at hand and not
>fishing out for another argument. You should have informed me
>since your response seemed so incoherent with my question.

it will seem incoherent to you because there are TOO Many issues with islam and covering all of them is very difficult for you. What is more they are all interrelated.....now some guy in india was told he must divorce his wife because he said talak 3 times in his sleep....i mean HOW STUPID can one be???? This ideology defies all logic.

>You are consistently illogical for someone who is constantly
>trying to appeal to people's logic!

Coach, i think perhaps that is what you are trying so very hard with your Mr. I LOOk GooD And POlite talks. I do not need to appeal to anyone's logic. I have no need to uphold the truth when the truth stands out for itself. I HAVE ALWAYS GOT ALL QUOTES FROM YOUR KOOOORAN AND YOU CANNOT STAND THIS!!!!!!!!! That is why is seems illogical to you since you cannot understand why i can't see it from your perspective.

> If parents raise their
>children well and teach them right from wrong, and then some
>of these children choose to go against the teachings of their
>parents, do you still blame the parents?

Think carefully, if the parents taught them well and the children understood what was taught then they would not go against those teachings. The fact that they do simply means that they did not understand in the first place. So both parties have an equal role to play. But what do i know, i am illogical!!!???!!?


>Cartoon issue again? Didn't you see the verse...
>
>"Whoever kills a person without his being guilty of murder or
>of creating unrest in the land, is as though he kills the
>whole of mankind." (Al-Ma’idah, 5: 32)

It is now becoming a joke that you come up with a verse from the koooooran and when i bring up another one liner from the same kooooran you object and say i am illogical.

16:106 Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. Those who loose their faith in Islam will face an awful doom. Allah's wrath is upon them.

16:107 That is because they have chosen the life of the world rather than the Hereafter, and because Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.

>Do you believe their actions are legitimised by Islam? Please
>show me where it says kill whomsoever annoys or offends your
>Prophet.

25:36 Then We said: Go together unto the folk who have denied Our revelations. Then We destroyed them, a complete destruction. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed.
25:37 And Noah's folk, when they denied the messengers, We drowned them and made of them a portent for mankind. We have prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers

>The Prophet went through a lot of humiliation in the
>hands of polytheists, but he was nothing but kind to them. He
>was spat at, pelted with stones, thorns put on his path as he
>went for the dawn prayers, threatenned, mocked etc.

yes plus he slept with a little child, a woman whose husband he had just killed, wiped out complete tribes after looting them and using their women as sex slaves and alot of other historical evidence (google it yourself like you tell me to) prooves all this.


>You are being illogical in constantly blaming Islam for the
>actions of Muslims. Your problem is with Islam and you
>therefore use the actions of all the extremists as arsenal to
>support your arguments.

if you guys know who these extremists are in your midst why don't you try and conbtrol them and educate them first before coming to tell us what to do? I have no problems with muslims, i have many muslim friends. I also know that almost 99% of them do not do what is required of them by islam, but they have no choice in a cult that would not hesitate to kill them if they became apostates. The house of cards will come crumbling down, the world is waking up to a new menace of terrorism which seems to stem from religious notions. That is something i will not want the future generations to suffer from. I will do all I can to let others see from a different perspective what these dogmas are hellbent on doing. You are caught in an ideology you have no idea about. It does not matter what quotes or in depth material you come out with, the bottom line is that people are dying because of narcissistic cults. You cannot see that because you are so warped up in the goodness of your ideology. You dare not hear what atrocities have been committed by people in the name of the same allah that you believe in. It is like a nightmare you want to go away. So you blame others all the time, you claim islamophobia, you think others have not understood what you know, you think you are the sole representative of islam on this message board. I don't blame you, its the side effects of attending too many madarasa classes. You cannot see that,... I can.

Despite the fact that a major national and international news agencies have reported the Rahman Abdul apostacy case you still went ahead to try and proove that this kind of thing does not happen. It's almost like slapping millions of afghanis in their face,your fellow muslim brothers and sisters, as if they have no clue what they are talking about when they demand the guys blood. DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE??????? so if you are right and they are wrong, what part of the koooooran are they reading that you are not or vice versa, because they too claim it's a kooranic decree????????

Coach in this age of information do not be surprised if your children see the light and turn away from your beliefs. People have many questions that religions cannot satisfy. Your religion ahs the most descrepancies and hence uses violence and fear to intimidate people and control them. I feel sorry for you sometimes as a human being because you can see but are still very ignorant.

I have no problem in you thinking whatever you want of me. If these forums could last for years you will realize what i meant. At the moment you are not ready, so like the bluefly we leave you where you like most. I may not believe in what you do, but i sure as hell know it will not take you anywhere.

-the paradigm shifter...........God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.