RE: Homosexuality and Religion -
03-21-2006, 10:49 AM
Hi Satjas
We most likely will disagree on many issues.
I have not brandished any name about 'homosexuals' in this argument i think that is offensive and inconsiderate.
Those who live in Saudi Arabia and have been able to developed a different view of the sharia law. Its because they have been exposed to different opportunities. Since this is true...we can extrapolate that if they feel that the law is limiting they can always relocate to another country. There are under no obligation to stay in Saudi Arabia for the rest of their lives. They can just cross the border into one of the neigbouring countries.
It is possible that some few individuals may exist who are dissatisfied with the system and would like to leave but dont know where.
Even the devil..can quote scripture. Thus its very easy to pick passages from different parts and twist the information so as to add credence as to what you believe to be true.
I never said God communicated with only Christians and Muslims. I think God communicates with everybody. People intepret this communication differently.
I think by being labelled a "christian" it means that one follows christ's teachings based on what is in the bible. Now the bible on many occasions is against homosexuality. Then why does one want to be a christian and gay at the same time...is it simply because its forbidden and that in itself is the temptation? If you are gay...you can believe in God...however if you choose to be christian you cannt then be gay. Its against tenets of christiniaty and islam so why do you want to be that?
No one is under any obligation to follow christianity or islam as a by stander? Do you choose not to eat meat...because Hindus believe that cows are sacred? Would you become a hindu so that you can claim how their beliefs are intolerant to people eating meat?
I cannot understand God...I believe that through the holy spirit and his will things will become clear to me. I think that my inability to think only from a "human perspective" limits my understanding on the actions and also by ability to reason. Yes I have a "free-will" but this perhaps is "limited" in terms of understanding God. He is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. I cannot complain or even begin to fathom with any of my faculties what his actions are. Why does He "apparently seem" so against gays yet gays can also reach to Him? As I said I am an inferior being...limited by my sentient capacity to analyse superior beings.
Can ant, a human ant, siafu, describe a human being completely, psychologically, physiologically, culturally, societally, historically? A human being can describe an ant completely with the different superlatives mentioned but can a siafu?
That is what I feel Satjas you want me to do....and I see it as pointless an exercise in futility.
When I stated that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent....then my thinking has already been limited.
You are attempting to use a 1 meter rule to measure an infinite distance and conclude a finite distance.
This is how I see it.
If I can understand then I cannot fail to reason. I dont think those two are as separate as you make them to be. I could reason and my reason could be wrong. However one's ability to reason or to make that statement is determined by whether they understand or not. I dont think you can reason what you cannot understand.
I cannot comprehend what God thinks...is different from understanding and being aware through faith of what God would expect me to do. What God expects christians/ muslims to do is outlined in the bible/koran and in the teachings of christianity and islam. I can comprehend what a good christian is expected to be from the sources mentioned above.
Just because I am a christian does not mean i discount evolution. To give a short example. First I see this two as separate issues. One deals with scientific methodology this is evolution and christianity deals with faith.
Thank you for the comments. I feel that my faith was questioned...at the same time...i feel that i will continue with it "blindly". It brings contentment to me such that few things actually do. Its in a way my self-actualization. I think for you...its in becoming a custodian of truth. I respect that we have different perspectives.
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