[Coach]

>>Your asking me whether I
>>would marry a 9 year olf girl when I'm 52 is dependant on
>the
>>norms of the culture I live in, what is right and wrong is
>>determined by Divine Law and ALSO the culture of the place
>on
>>is living.
>
>hello, which one is it? divine law or the culture cos surely
>both cannot be the same.....otherwise why have the two......do
>you follow your divine law or the english law as you live in
>london???? Or which one takes priority???

Divine Law takes priority but when something is not forbidden by divine law, then cultural norms are applied. As a Muslims who is a Somali, I practise my religion without losing my traditions, that is as long as they are not in conflict with religion. Somalis had a pre-Islamic culture of circumcizing females (which is a Pharaonic tradition), since this is in conflict with Islamic Law the practise is abandonned by those who adhere to Islam. Some still do it out of ignorance thinking it's religious duty.




>>Judging Samburu people according to the western cultural
>norms
>>today is ignorant, and so is judging someone who lived in
>the
>>7th Century according to the norms that prevail today.
>
>Yet once again I ask , would you or wouldn't you? without
>going into the spiel......yes or no? And by the way I have no
>problem if you married even a 5yr old.....just don't screw her
>when she immediately reaches puberty @ 9yrs old, will ya?????
>Would you???

I live in the UK today and therefore adapt to the norms here. For example, it is against the law to physically beat your children but this practise is widespread in Africa. As Bernard Shaw once said..."A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." I and millions of others have adapted to the times we live in and also the location. If girls were married when they reach puberty then I would practise it but it is not done anymore so I won't be doing it. Life has changed and formal education is a priority, pastoral societies still marry their girls at a very tender age.




>>- In 7th Century Arabia and most cultures around the world,
>a
>>girl becomes a woman when she hits Puberty.
>
>Just read that statement again and again and discover have
>blase it is. Why don't you also tell us " boys become men when
>they hit puberty, but for certain men puberty can come at the
>age of 52"?????????

The issue here is about girls, have you lost perspective? Why are you acting like a "dying man clutching on a straw"?



>>- Aisha moved in with the Prophet after she hit puberty,
>which
>>means she was considered "ready for marriage" according to
>the
>>prevailing norms.
>
>she didn't move in...she was taken in...there is a difference.
>What would a little child of 6 know about moving in with an
>older man??????


She wan't forced, if that's what you ae implying. Girls were married at a very early age and tehrefore the society prepares girls for this.



>>So what is your argument mzee? Are you ignorantly claiming
>>taht she moved in with the Prophet before puberty? Are you
>>ignoring these facts just as sajtas is just to push your
>>agenda through?
>
>here we go again, claiming to be victims of some "agenda" !!!!
>you cannot bear to accept the fact that your self appointed
>leader slept ( see i've been nice, i don't say screw any more,
>though its the same thing) with a 9 yr old ayesha. It's like a
>bad dream that won't go away.....you don't enjoy being
>reminded.....but it is the truth and you know it, Coach!


Well I've seen TM jump on the cartoon bandwagon just to score some brownie points with his "virtual congregation" and I've seen you repeatedly lash your 'wicked tongue' at anything that has to do with Islam, neither of you want to use logical discussions so what options am I left with? To either think you are crazy or people with a sinister intention which to discredit Islam at any given opportunity and by any menas necessary. It leans more towards the latter.