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>Hey Y'all
>
>why can't we accept that we are an intolerant society? The
>muslims claim they are a tolerant society yet they cannot
>handle themselves when it comes to gays. The christians preach
>turning the other cheek yet are hell bent on eradicating
>homosexuality, they cannot even tolerate one gay bishop in
>their midst.

As coach did say you have a non healthy fixation against muslims and islam. Christians live according to the bible now if you want to be gay...the tenets which is what the bible says are very clear about this subject. If you want to be gay...continue being gay dont rationalize to us why you are also a christian they are incompatible.

>all of the do-gooders who come on this forum find it hard to
>accept gays.......sometimes I wonder if TM ,Coach, Mbajuni
>even have a gay friend, or an aquaintance...or if they have
>ever interacted with one? Ok, they'll all come blaring
>now.....yes they do. In that case have they ever sat down with
>a gay person and simply had a chat with no bias? One cannot
>say that it is a sin on one hand and yet interact with that
>sin.....isn't that hypocrisy?........like- i have no problem
>with gays but what they do is a sin......or try and be
>apologetic and say that you'll pray for them......silly
>believers.

Look the bible and in fact even the koran insists that people not ascribed to the religion or the faith should not be judged by it. A muslim practicing islam will choose not to associate with gays that is his/her prerogative.


>we can say all we want but ultimately if God had a problem
>with gays it wouldn't take Her long to eliminate them....and
>She wouldn't need our help,

God gives every one of His creations free will. We all choose how to live if you choose to be gay that is your choice. We as religious believers cannot hold a position of attempting to understand beyond our faculties which is what you are attempting. We don't know God's actions and why He does them thus commenting on them and their reasons is in vain and futile. Our inferior minds cannot comprehend it. You are free to ascribe to a different faith stance however dont tell christians how they should be christians when you arent one.
Thanks.


>We keep on listening to these verses and do not want to think
>for ourselves, as if that faculty has been taken away from
>us........

Who said that when we listening to verses we dont think? We merely believe what the verses hold are true. And psychologically i have shown how homosexuality is deviance...even biologically there is no evolutionary benefit of this kind of behaviour. Thus I have used my reasoning ability to justify why homosexuality is wrong in my perspective as a christian. Now if you choose to view it as right...please do so...however dont trample on my faith because you dont like it. I'm sorry my faith is what it is and if it cannot accomodate to your radical ideas then adopt your own faith that would do so.

>Nobody here has spoken logically without reference to any
>'holy' books.....although ATLian has come close.....

If someone gives any argument to support how "homosexuality" should be accepted and not frowned upon they are speaking logically.
I wonder what the extent comments i wrote about...all this time i thought they were logical.
I'm sorry they could not fit into your fine thread of suitability.

>.....gays are here to stay. let's face it...let's respect them
>and earn our respect from them. Let us learn tolerance in the
>face of extreme provocation. So what if they were cartoons? so
>what if the arch bishop was gay? How has that affected YOU
>personally? Did it hurt you? Did you bleed because someone
>else was gay?

Stop mixing issues...this article is about homosexuality and religion. Yes for christians one cannot take a position that is tantamount to being against their stand on faith. Thats why the Anglican Churck in Kenya has not endorsed the gay bishop. Yes that affects me as a believer that what I hold sacred is merely twisted to fit the societal norm....for no other valid scientific reason as to why homosexuality is anything but deviance. That peturbs me greatly and questions validity of the strength of the faith I ascribe to. Thats why christian/muslim faith will not tolerate homosexuality. Just because society is accepting does not mean that is acceptable religiously.

>religion is for retards, homosexuality for those who are at
>least true to themselves and Humanism for those who want to
>break off the shackles of these cults.

Now again stop brandishing people who hold a different perspective from yours as retards? Do you think that condescending statement will change religious adherents....Infact I hope it bolsters their faith and resolve. Since when did you become the custodian of truths to be able to pass judgement as to what each person is?