[teejay]

>This is as condescending as they come. Why do believers like
>TeeJay think that only they know about the Bible? You think
>just because I don't believe in your god or coz Coach believes
>in another god that we don't know about the Bible. Come on
>man, wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s in bad taste to put words especially worthless ones in another person's mouth. I did not say that biblical mastery is my preserve and mine alone. And by the way the about coffee, you forgot to put water in the coffee maker and the pungent of the coffee that was burning got me thinking about a rescue mission.

>About whether Christ used to drink, here's what the KJV writes
>in John Chapter 2:
>
>2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee;
>and the mother of Jesus was there:
>2:2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the
>marriage.
>2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto
>him, They have no wine.
>
>Jesus and his disciples wanted wine (which means that Jesus
>used to drink wine) but there was none. If you argue that he
>never used to drink wine, then clearly it's a contradiction,
>since Jesus would not have made the wine, he'd have rebuked
>them for wanting wine. There is no way an all-good god would
>provide people with an evil thing.

And that is precisely why I say that the making of the wine there was symbolic. And what do you? You rant about it trying in vain to reprove that which was given and written to represent its true meaning. Just try and listen to yourself for a moment. Do me a favor if not yourself. Read carefully the whole of Chapter two. Find out why Christ after being approached by His mother replies "MINE HOUR IS NOT YET COME." A statement which has not reference to the wine at all. After that compare it with my comment on it that in so saying Christ was pointing to the fact that his life on earth was in fulfillment of the plan that had existed from the days of eternity. Before He came to earth, the plan lay out before Him, perfect in all its details. But as He walked among men, He was guided, step by step, by the Father's will. He did not hesitate to act at the appointed time. With the same submission He waited until the time had come. Indeed Christ was replying to Mary’s unspoken thought,to the expectation she cherished in common with her people. She hoped that He would reveal Himself as the Messiah, and take the throne of Israel. But the time had not come. Not as a King, but as "a Man of Sorrows, and acquainted with grief," had Jesus accepted the lot of humanity.

But though Mary had not a right conception of Christ's mission, she trusted Him implicitly. To this faith Jesus responded. It was to honor Mary's trust, and to strengthen the faith of His disciples, that the first miracle was performed. The disciples were to encounter many and great temptations to unbelief. To them the prophecies had made it clear beyond all controversy that Jesus was the Messiah. They looked for the religious leaders to receive Him with confidence even greater than their own. They declared among the people the wonderful works of Christ and their own confidence in His mission, but they were amazed and bitterly disappointed by the unbelief, the deep-seated prejudice, and the enmity to Jesus, displayed by the priests and rabbis. The Saviour's early miracles strengthened the disciples to stand against this opposition.
In nowise disconcerted by the words of Jesus, Mary said to those serving at table, "Whatsoever He saith unto you, do it." Thus she did what she could to prepare the way for the work of Christ. Do you ATlian now see where the element of symbolism is coming from?
>And NO, the wine wasn't a symbol. Not everything Christ did
>was symbolic, some was just basic black and white stuff. There
>was no wine, he and his disciples wanted wine, so he made
>wine. Period.

But to you everything in the bible is just black and white. I have been here too long to see some of your arguments. Others don’t even exist. I wonder where the black and white about Christ’s marriage come from. I wonder where you read that.Don’t just utilize these most available copy/paste features of the comp. Use them with wisdom. Get that wisdom from The Lord.

>About the marriage - you insist that Christ wasn't married.
>You rant and rave about wine, the devil, the catholic chruch,
>Jesuits, symbolism and all that, but you don't include an iota
>of evidence that can show Christ wasn't married. You've just
>muddied the waters with a lot of random attacks on many
>topics.

ATlian, ATlian, ATlian calm down. And read see below who is stirring the waters muddily and madly. You God’s wisdom can really mock your school gained intelligence and humble you thoroughly.

>So again I'll ask, if you say Christ wasn't married,
>prove it. Show me the biblical quotations which say he wasn't
>married or any other evidence. And "Christ's bride is the
>church so he couldn't have been married" or any other such
>Christian dogma isn't evidence.

Now who should prove to the other the Christ was married. It is clear that in the scriptures it is not present. Even at th Cross Christ gives John the responsibility of taking care of his widowed Mother Mary. “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home” John 19: 26-27 He does not say also take care of my wife Magdalene. Magdalene was just a woman who received the Lord. Besides there were so many women who Christ came into contact with. Like Lazarus’ sisters why don’t people say He married any of these. It is just utter malice that must be called by it name- Evil. And those who spread it are agents of Satan himself.
>BTW I've never heard of Christ being gay. God said that gays
>should be stoned to death outside the city gates, and he
>burned Sodom and Gomorrah down for the excessive "gayness" of
>their inhabitants. Going on this, there's no way Christ (who
>is god) could have been gay.

Thank God that you’ve not heard coz if you did then you’d be doing everything to support it.