[teejay]

>I will take time and study what you have written.
>All I am certain about is:-
>
>1 Thessalonians 4:17 teaches the fact of the Rapture: ". .
>.shall be caught up together with them. . ." "Rapture" comes
>from the Latin translation of the Greek (harpazõ) in this
>verse and is accurately translated into English by "caught up"
>(NASB).

Your defination of the word rapture or raptus(Latin)-siezed or caried awayis absoluteley correct. But then the movies and the book left behind and seem to suggest another thing all together. The opening scene of that movies shows something like a wife and husband enjoying a plane cruise when suddenly the husband disappears in thin air leaving the wife,his clothes and other earthly belongings in the plane. The scene is replicated onwards. This is the rapture for those who made the movie and the Jesuits. We have already seen why the Jesuits want it that way. And that is why to them the Christians are carried away before tribulation(their rapture-sceretive), a teaching which of course is in conflict with the biblical writings which say that God's people will come out of the tribulation victorious.

The passages you have wrote above shows that the event will not be secretive as the one in the movie.

>Currently a debate swirls around when this takes place
>relative to the Tribulation.
>
>Most of what you wrote is new to me and therefore I will give
>my comments later. BTW, I am equally against teaching in the
>catholic church that started from their tradition rather than
>the BIBLE.

I am waiting to hear what you come with too. We are learnign from each other as children of the same Father. I have given myself a small assignment on this matter with An aim of finding out who the jesuits are and what is their character and what is their purpose. I will put it all here so that all can read.