[Coach]

teejay,
>>2. The Christians believe in Jesus (PBUH) but reject
>Muhammad
>>(PBUH) - they even insult him (as the ignoramus resident
>>priest here has demonstrated many a times).
>
>But Mohammed is a nobody as far as God is concerned.He is
>otherwise just another snare of satan.


Man of Satan eh? You sure know nothing about him do you?





>The mulism choose what to believe about Jesus they dont
>believe he was son of God Just like the Jews. So am wondering
>which Jesus is this you talk about. Anybody who denies that
>christ came from the father is aliar. That is a different
>teaching. Hence antichrist.That whay I have always said the
>Allah and God is not one.


The issue of Jesus PBUh being the son of God and the issue of trinity can take us ages to discuss. I don't have time at the moment and even if we discuss it, we'd still be where we started (you believeing that he is a son of God and me believing taht he is the Messenger of God).





>Mohammed is not in the bible as brethren of christ but as a
>crusader against the teachings of christ. He is one of the
>very many false teachers christians were warned about. BY the
>way what did mohammed prophesy about? A prophet foretels the
>future. Mohammed did nothing of the sort other than lead
>violent islamic religous wars.


Again, you show your ignorance of Islamic history and the man behind it all. Muhammad PBUH taught about his fellow Messenger Jesus PBUH and taught people that he was a Messenger like himself. he never uttered a negative thing about Jesus PBUH and any Muslim who says anything bad about Jesus PBUH is NOT considered to be a Muslim. But, we reject the things that some Christians later attributed to him vis a vis calling him God (or son God depending on who you ask).

There are many predictions Muhammad PBUH made that have come true, do your homework before you speak but if you are extremely lethargic ask me and I shall lend you a hand.


>Christ was not only a messenger but son of God. do you agree?
>He came to save the world. Do you agree? Moses who you repect
>wrote about christ. Do you agree? ONLY though christ can one
>see the fahter. Do you beleive? If your answer is anything
>other than NO to the above questions then muslims are not with
>Christians.


If you have spoeken to Muslims (as you claim) then you wouldn't be asking me these questions. Muslims are with Christians, but not those who say that Jesus PBUH is God or His son. Just like you are not with Catholics on many of their teachings, Muslims are not with you on this particular issue.




>I guess by bowing at the feet of the Roman pontiff " holy
>father" as was witnessed recently is also believing in God's
>messenger.What were those muslims doing In Rome anyway? I tend
>to think It Religous was Rather than Political. The pope is
>cheating the world the He want to unite all religions and
>everyone says amen to that. Muslims allow of that with a
>mighty wailing on their powerful PA systems which soon will
>face the vatican. Not realising that if that so
>happens(ecumenism)then the image of the firts beast would have
>been made as written in the prophesy of revelation.11,12,13.
>Moslems who belief in one God now changes to repect fellow man
>who maketh himself God and sits in the temple exalting himself
>above God!!


I don't wan to know about the beef you have with Catholics but I'd like to illumiinform you that Muslims don't take orders from the Vatican. Muslims also don't believe in the pope being "chosen by God" or anything of that sort. Get your facts right mister because you seem to be mixing things up.


>Catholics are wrong. The cathloic Jesuits had long ago planned
>to distort the bible to favor catholic's distorted teachings
>and adding extra books in the bible and omiting some parts of
>the decalogue was part of that masterplan.The cathoic church
>has often confessed of having chnged the worshipping day from
>God's sabbath to Sun Day for which the scriptures are silent.
>This church has had the unseen hand in the murdering of
>several president in the USA simply coz they were hindering
>their jesuitical missions.The man they call the bishop of rome
>is doing a bidding for satan himself. He is the Genaral of the
>Jesuits. Have you not read that the catholic church at one
>time in her history forbade laymen to read the bible for 400
>hundred dark years.


Majority of the Christians in the world are Catholics and you think they believe in a distorted religion. Interesting!


>Outsiders like undecided muslims choose to go with catholics.
>I saw them in rome when Benedict 16th was elected.

The Muslims who attended did it out of respect, the same way I'd attend the funeral of my Christian or Jew neighbour, or their weddings, confirmations and other occassions for that matter. Catholicsalso have a seat for power which they recognise, it is easier for Muslims to hold dialogue with them. This is comparable to countries, a nation like Cuba might be "evil" in some people's eyes but they have a seat in the UN whereas a nation like Somalia has no govt and therefore no voice. This is just a simple analogy that I hope will elucidate things a tard for you.


>Now because you beleive in moses and abraham then you and
>other muslims are lost also too. You do happen to read at
>least one of those 17 version to know about God's messengers,
>dont you?


I read them as much as you read the Qur'an.


>Am glad you are talking about the crusades. These fights were
>instigated by none than the catholic vatican. The decree came
>from the councils led by the pope. Unfortuntely the Muslims
>pledge their support for the vatican that hated them!

To everyone people of the world, the Crusaders were Christians. people know that they were Catholics but keep in mind that they represent the majority of Christians in the world. They were so wicked that they destroyed even trees and killed animals on their way to Jerusalem. They were so shocked by the kindness of Saladin that some started saying that he must have been Christian because a Muslim couldn't be that nice. Shows you the level of ignorance among the Crusaders.



>Now you must know that there are christinas and there are
>catholics. The latter has done more damege to Christ's name
>then Good,While the former(Protestants) have perpetuated the
>truth all the time following in Luthers steps.


Maybe this view suits you as a Protestant but reality says otherwise. In reality, Catholics ae Chrsitians who make up about 60% of Christians worldwide (roughly over a billion people today).



>I like your argument. It is very impressive indeed, but only
>to those have not come to contact with moslem evengelists. I
>see them everday. They yell one word and then rush to another
>part of the bible to yell out another one to reprove the words
>of the bible. Now I do concur that translation has its fare
>contribution far as some words are concerned. At times the
>tranlation was done under some very difficult conditons you
>must know that,but still the original messege for which the
>bible was intended still comes out very clearly for God does
>does desire that his word must be know to everyone. But what
>you talk is in conlict with what I here out there.Those
>moslems utterly question the birth through a virign.


I gave a clear example of the dangers of translating Holy Books. This is why the Qur'an is never translated in that manner.

Where did you see Muslims who question the miraculous birth of Jesus PBUH? If they do, please inform them that they aren't Muslims because they are going against the Qur'an which speaks a lot about the Holy Virgin Mary and the miraculous birth of Jesus PBUH. There is even a WHOLE chapter (chapter 19) of the Qur'an called Mary. Muslims have A LOT OF respect for Mary and is said to be among the women of Paeadise. Here are some verse that speak of the miraculous birth of Jesus PBUH...

CHAPTER 3: 45-47

45. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

46. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!


Share these verses with the "so called" Muslims who deny Jesus' PBUH miraculous birth.