[Msoto]

>Hey Msoto
>
>This may not have been addressed to me but when my conscience
>is pricked i speak.
>
>>The bible says that even the devil can take excerpts from
>the
>>bible and twist them to further their own end.
>
>This man made clause makes it easy to avoid any conflict of
>thought........its like saying i am right and anyone who
>doesn't agree with me has twisted what i have said. The truth
>is a perfect God would write a fool-proof text........but then
>that would be unfair to millions of blind people on this
>earth, unless ofcourse they learnt braille, trusting whoever
>taught them........so to overcome all this God communicates
>with everyone through feelings. Even the blind, deaf and dumb
>people feel exactly the same way in their hearts like everyone
>else. To me that is a fair God, don't you think?


In my opinion being fair is a state that various by degrees depending on your knowledge base. The more knowledge you have about that situation the better you are fair.
Therefore i agree with you God is fair.

>>The bible was written by human beings...within it is the
>>message of God but one must be aware that also within it is
>>the theological mindset of the time within which it was
>>written. Thus viewpoints that were held then may not be the
>>current viewpoints held today, i.e. the viewpoints undergo
>>some altercation due to time and a change in thinking.
>
>That is why we as a society should get together and discard
>the trash in many of our 'books' and update them to this day
>and age....are you Msoto willing to do that???

I am willing to do whatever God has planned for me to do...If my life turns out to be involved in the field of theological studies then I would hopefully change many of our 'books' with God's help. However i believe my calling..i may be wrong...is to implement God's love..faith good works in everyday life.

>>>that Jesus suffered less than Amy..why because you assume
>that
>>Jesus and Amy are the same. That in itself is a fallacy. The
>>comparison sample you are using isnt the same.
>
>In truth they are the same, its not a fallacy, its an apt
>comparison. Can you tell us why it is not the same....with
>logical sense???

I refer to suffering as quantifiable. Jesus and amy are both human beings. Jesus has experienced life...he has probably built a threshold of pain...through the behaviour of learning. Amy on the other hand is still a baby she may or may not have built any threshold of pain.
Peoples threshold of pain are different...and pain correlates to suffering. So if peoples thresholds of pain are different how can we then say that they suffered the same amount?

>>was then crucified and underwent the same torture as Jesus
>did
>>and there was a way of measuring the pain intensities before
>>death then you can make your CAUSAL statements. The causal
>>statement that AMY underwent more suffering than JESUS. See
>>this statement that you stated is simply an opinion with no
>>factual or experimental evidence.
>
>Actually there is also no evidence that Jesus underwent more
>suffering......In fact if we rely on what is written in the
>bible then there are plenty more people in this world who have
>undergone worse suffering......some have been cut limb by limb
>whilst alive, skinned alive or burnt alive.....now that, dude
>is agony. Like ATLian said, the two guys next to Jesus were
>also on crosses undergoing the same punishment, although they
>were not tortured beforehand. And it does not mean that the
>more one has suffered the more one has a right to heaven. And
>ofcourse you will not believe when i say that Jesus's body
>suffered whilst his mind was in constant bliss.......hard to
>understand? ask me and i'll explain how that is possible.
>

I never said Jesus underwent more suffering or Amy underwent more suffering. All I am expressing is that we have no way of quantifying suffering and because we don't have anyway of quantifying suffering we cann't just say they are the same...

>>It is wrong to simply pick one passage from the bible...to
>>remove it out of context in which it was written and then
>>correlate it to life's current challenges.
>
>No!! not that old 'out of context' scenario again!!!! Why
>can't any sentence in the bible hold it's own truth????
>

Well i am not the one who started that argument...however i believe it holds water. In that everything must be interpreted in context. Even when Jesus was being tested by the devil, the devil did use the scripture. And because of that i believe people must be wary in simply picking lines and inserting them to life's situations.

>>...but rather that life is a
>>challenge and with its challenges i should not loose faith,
>>when i slip or sin but rather maintain a positive and
>>religious attitude in my daily life.
>
>Life is not a challenge.......things in life seem like
>challenges, but once you get there it simply becomes another
>experience. Life is about enjoying the experience.
>
>-The paradigm shifter.......God's friend.
>
>The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind
>denies it.

Well...for christians life should be a challenge..because you are struggling to convert others...to hold your faith in a world filled with non-believers quick to ridicule, annoy, frustrate, outcast and disprove you. In other words without realizing life itself is an everyday struggle.
I strongly belief that without struggle there is no enjoyment....there is nothing as sweet as sweat....that sweat is even sweater when one is living a virtuous life. For you feel content with life's challenges and are not afraid to face them.....because you know you are never alone....there is God.

Even africans had this mindset when they built the pyramids to symbolize self actualization. The base would symbolize people and the daily needs but the tip...which would summarise completeness symbolized spirituality.