[satjas]

Hey Msoto

This may not have been addressed to me but when my conscience is pricked i speak.

>The bible says that even the devil can take excerpts from the
>bible and twist them to further their own end.

This man made clause makes it easy to avoid any conflict of thought........its like saying i am right and anyone who doesn't agree with me has twisted what i have said. The truth is a perfect God would write a fool-proof text........but then that would be unfair to millions of blind people on this earth, unless ofcourse they learnt braille, trusting whoever taught them........so to overcome all this God communicates with everyone through feelings. Even the blind, deaf and dumb people feel exactly the same way in their hearts like everyone else. To me that is a fair God, don't you think?

>The bible was written by human beings...within it is the
>message of God but one must be aware that also within it is
>the theological mindset of the time within which it was
>written. Thus viewpoints that were held then may not be the
>current viewpoints held today, i.e. the viewpoints undergo
>some altercation due to time and a change in thinking.

That is why we as a society should get together and discard the trash in many of our 'books' and update them to this day and age....are you Msoto willing to do that???

>>that Jesus suffered less than Amy..why because you assume that
>Jesus and Amy are the same. That in itself is a fallacy. The
>comparison sample you are using isnt the same.

In truth they are the same, its not a fallacy, its an apt comparison. Can you tell us why it is not the same....with logical sense???

> If another baby
>was then crucified and underwent the same torture as Jesus did
>and there was a way of measuring the pain intensities before
>death then you can make your CAUSAL statements. The causal
>statement that AMY underwent more suffering than JESUS. See
>this statement that you stated is simply an opinion with no
>factual or experimental evidence.

Actually there is also no evidence that Jesus underwent more suffering......In fact if we rely on what is written in the bible then there are plenty more people in this world who have undergone worse suffering......some have been cut limb by limb whilst alive, skinned alive or burnt alive.....now that, dude is agony. Like ATLian said, the two guys next to Jesus were also on crosses undergoing the same punishment, although they were not tortured beforehand. And it does not mean that the more one has suffered the more one has a right to heaven. And ofcourse you will not believe when i say that Jesus's body suffered whilst his mind was in constant bliss.......hard to understand? ask me and i'll explain how that is possible.

>It is wrong to simply pick one passage from the bible...to
>remove it out of context in which it was written and then
>correlate it to life's current challenges.

No!! not that old 'out of context' scenario again!!!! Why can't any sentence in the bible hold it's own truth????

>...but rather that life is a
>challenge and with its challenges i should not loose faith,
>when i slip or sin but rather maintain a positive and
>religious attitude in my daily life.

Life is not a challenge.......things in life seem like challenges, but once you get there it simply becomes another experience. Life is about enjoying the experience.

-The paradigm shifter.......God's friend.

The soul is that which beholds beauty even when the mind denies it.