[ATLian]

>If you think YOU (who has never experienced such torture like
>the small girl) can feel the 'pain' the girl felt just imagine
>how much Christ feels and can relate to that girl.
>
>The question my friend should be why Jesus took YOUR & MY
>flith and shame of sin on the cross and yet he did not
>derserve it.


TM,

are you justifying what happened to Amy by saying that it's OK since Christ endured worse! I agree Christ was killed in a horrible way, but he died the same way those other 2 thugs next to him died. If I were to ask you to die on the cross exactly like Christ ama in the way Amy died, which way would you chose? I'd definitely die on the cross, coz what Amy went through was crazy.

The difference between Amy and Christ is Amy had NO choice. God/Jesus Christ on the other hand KNEW from Day One that he would make man, who would sin. God knew he would want to save man from this sin. In his infinite wisdom, god could have chosen any of an infinite number of ways to cleanse the world of sin. He'd have snapped his fingers, ama better still, he'd have chosen not to make the devil who brought sin around. Of all the infinite ways, he CHOSE the worst one possible - to have his only son tortured horribly then die on the cross as his way of saving man from this sin. It was all part of their perfect plan which they hatched a gazillion years ago, and which they had a gazillion years to modify if they felt it was too tortorous. That's why I cannot feel pity on Christ for what he went through because he and god totally willed it upon himself.

PLUS - 2 hours after he died he was in heaven with his dad, then 3 days later he was back alive on earth, then a month later or whatever he was back in heaven with his dad again. Amy never had such choices, she didn't meet her mum 2 hours later and she wasn't back on earth alive 3 days later. Since Amy was murdered in 1978, her mum has never seen her again! Therefore to compare the two is preposterous.

Then, you totally ignored my other questions, and chose to give me what I consider a generic Christian-apologist reply. To ask my questions again - We all know that every sin can be justifiable (like murder is a sin, but if committed in self-defense, it's perfectly justifiable). With that in mind, do you think it makes sense for an all-wise god to declare one sin to be unjustifiable regardless of the circumstances that led you to commit it? Do you think that it's fair that if TM mistakenly committed this sin today, despite living a godly life, he should be condemned to die in hell without the chance of forgiveness. Do you think that blasphemy of the holy ghost actually warrants to be a worse crime than what Theodore Frank did? Do you think that using my hypothetical scenario, Hitler and Pol Pot deserve to be in heaven while Sherry Roberts doesn't? Please answer me with your views on this without unleashing a generic "Christ Loves You" or "god works in mysterious ways" statement.

Anyway, I hope you can now see the reasons that led me to stop believing. When stuff didn't make sense, some people prayed more and more and became caught up in that quagmire; others just shrugged their shoulders and accepted stuff as it was; others like me decided that whatever was happening just didn't make sense and we chose to question, and the more we questioned, the more repelled we were.